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> He argues that Russia invading Ukraine (and putting a pro-Russian government in its place), it is the same as USA invading Iraq. Typical Putinist deflection.

> He argues that Russia invading Ukraine (and putting a pro-Russian government in its place), it is the same as USA invading Iraq. Typical Putinist deflection. Watch some talk shows on Russian TV involving him from the past decade. Whenever people question or criticize his actions, he does not answer and instead start raving on about the US this and the west that. Even if the action has nothing to do with the US or the west. It's a simple tactic to try move focus from whatever he's doing to whatever evil he thinks the west has done. He's always doing everything to paint the west in bad light; he wants people to think the west is evil, and in doing so, he's supposed to get a free pass. I used to watch (English) Russian propaganda channels on youtube. They're all full of this. Obviously a lot of people buy it. The reality is that whether the war in Iraq was justified or not is a completely separate discussion, and the US going to war with Iraq (whether justified or not) is not a justification for Russia going to war with Ukraine. You can draw parallels, but that is no justification. And vague "self-interests" is no justification. Anyone who thinks USA waged war for oil is probably also condemning that war. For another example of self-interest, Finland (together with Nazi Germany) attacked the Soviets in Continuation War in order to regain lost territory and to annex East Karelia. You can argue that's self-interest but it does not justify invasion, and I think most people condemn that offensive.

Helmut10001 5y ago
> The reality is that whether the war in Iraq was justified or not is a completely separate discussion, and the US going to war with Iraq (whether justified or not) is not a justification for Russia going to war with Ukraine. This. If all we do is justify our current actions with the past, then every country can find some historic argument for invading another country. So yes, US in Iraq means nothing for Russia attacking Ukraine, it is a red herring by Putin propaganda. It is just hard or impossible to convince those who believe in it.
- env123 5y ago
  Not this. Russia sees Ukraine joining NATO as a security concern - whether true or not, so in their view they must pre-emptively strike Morally speaking, it's not justified for humans to keep making war Objectively speaking, it's justified from Russia's point of view > If all we do is justify our current actions with the past, then every country can find some historic argument for invading another country Unfortunately, history repeats itself because human nature is difficult to change, so that's likely to happen for centuries
  - foxfluff 5y ago
    > Objectively speaking, it's justified from Russia's point of view That is such absurd wording. It almost sounds like you're trying to make an argument but you aren't really. You can always put it like that. "I see Russia as a security concern. Objectively speaking from my point of view Russia is a threat and we should pre-emptively nuke Moscow. It's justified from my point of view."

Helmut10001 5y ago

> The reality is that whether the war in Iraq was justified or not is a completely separate discussion, and the US going to war with Iraq (whether justified or not) is not a justification for Russia going to war with Ukraine. This. If all we do is justify our current actions with the past, then every country can find some historic argument for invading another country. So yes, US in Iraq means nothing for Russia attacking Ukraine, it is a red herring by Putin propaganda. It is just hard or impossible to convince those who believe in it.

env123 5y ago
Not this. Russia sees Ukraine joining NATO as a security concern - whether true or not, so in their view they must pre-emptively strike Morally speaking, it's not justified for humans to keep making war Objectively speaking, it's justified from Russia's point of view > If all we do is justify our current actions with the past, then every country can find some historic argument for invading another country Unfortunately, history repeats itself because human nature is difficult to change, so that's likely to happen for centuries
- foxfluff 5y ago
  > Objectively speaking, it's justified from Russia's point of view That is such absurd wording. It almost sounds like you're trying to make an argument but you aren't really. You can always put it like that. "I see Russia as a security concern. Objectively speaking from my point of view Russia is a threat and we should pre-emptively nuke Moscow. It's justified from my point of view."