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What do you suggest? ICBM launch silos in Germany and hypersonic missile launchers?

dtx1 5y ago
Accepting Frances offer of shared custody of the french nuclear arsenal and a Bundeswehr (german armed forces) with enough technical and personal resources to facilitate that effectively. ICBM launch silos and hypersonic missiles would be icing on the cake.
- hef19898 5y ago
  We have that model with the US. As did the Netherlands, past tense. And it is not very well liked. Trying to change it would start a public discussion, and end that model. This is a big issue around the Tornado replacement, US nukes mean US planes. Everybody is just tip-toeing around that topic, simply to avoid any attention on German nuclear participation. I cannot believe there actual proponents of nuclear armament and proliferation in 2022.
  - account42 5y ago
    > I cannot believe there actual proponents of nuclear armament and proliferation in 2022. There will be more in the years to come if thanks to the current events. Plenty of people here and else where are quick to point out that Ukraine is in NATO and that Russia would not dare attack a nato country so this is all fine but at the end of the day NATO, like any treaty, is just a promise not inherently like the promise the Ukraine was made when they gave up their nuclear weapons. An attack on a NATO country will not mean an automatic response from all other NATO countries but instead prompt a decision from each of the leaders of those countries what would be better for their citizens at that point. Retaining their own protection via NATO is going to be a big influence of that decision but it is never going to be the only factor.
    - hutrdvnj 5y ago
      If Ukraine would have been in the NATO then we would have NATO troops (including US troops) in Ukraine. What do you think would be the response if russia opens fire on US troops? Biden made it very clear, in this case we have WW3 immediately.

dtx1 5y ago

Accepting Frances offer of shared custody of the french nuclear arsenal and a Bundeswehr (german armed forces) with enough technical and personal resources to facilitate that effectively. ICBM launch silos and hypersonic missiles would be icing on the cake.

hef19898 5y ago
We have that model with the US. As did the Netherlands, past tense. And it is not very well liked. Trying to change it would start a public discussion, and end that model. This is a big issue around the Tornado replacement, US nukes mean US planes. Everybody is just tip-toeing around that topic, simply to avoid any attention on German nuclear participation. I cannot believe there actual proponents of nuclear armament and proliferation in 2022.
- account42 5y ago
  > I cannot believe there actual proponents of nuclear armament and proliferation in 2022. There will be more in the years to come if thanks to the current events. Plenty of people here and else where are quick to point out that Ukraine is in NATO and that Russia would not dare attack a nato country so this is all fine but at the end of the day NATO, like any treaty, is just a promise not inherently like the promise the Ukraine was made when they gave up their nuclear weapons. An attack on a NATO country will not mean an automatic response from all other NATO countries but instead prompt a decision from each of the leaders of those countries what would be better for their citizens at that point. Retaining their own protection via NATO is going to be a big influence of that decision but it is never going to be the only factor.
  - hutrdvnj 5y ago
    If Ukraine would have been in the NATO then we would have NATO troops (including US troops) in Ukraine. What do you think would be the response if russia opens fire on US troops? Biden made it very clear, in this case we have WW3 immediately.