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Pardon my skepticism but are there really politicians and media personalities in the US that support Putin's attack on Ukraine?

makomk 5y ago
Not just in the US. There's a very real possiblity that Jeremy Corbin could've been Prime Minister of the UK when this happened, and he's quite openly siding with Putin over this invasion and arguing the UK is actually to blame for it - as is the Stop the War Coalition and the broader left which he represents, much like their equivalents in the US are.
croes 5y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/23/tucker-carlson-putin-russia-ukraine/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/23/tucker-carls... https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/02/jen-psaki-slams-donald-trumps-effusive-praise-vladimir-putin/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/02/jen-psaki-slams-donald-t...
onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
Direct quote from Trump: "I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful. So Putin is now saying it's independent, a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper."
- psyc 5y ago
  That clearly reads to me as cynical admiration of the strategy, not support for its actual execution. And no those aren’t the same thing.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
    And footage from a Wednesday fundraiser in Florida showed Trump calling Putin "smart" for moving in on Ukraine "for $2 worth of sanctions. Source: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/24/1082954761/republicans-are-condemning-putin-for-the-invasion-of-ukraine-and-criticizing-bid https://www.npr.org/2022/02/24/1082954761/republicans-are-co... Link to footage: https://twitter.com/american_bridge/status/1496682759208775683?s=21 https://twitter.com/american_bridge/status/14966827592087756... If admiration, cheerleading, and calling an invader "smart" - isn't support... What is?
    - psyc 5y ago
      I’m sorry but you’re swirling separate concepts together as well as misunderstanding Trump’s persona. I have uncles who talk exactly like this because it makes them sound worldly. Like it’s what they would have done if they had the motive, because they’re smart too. Admiration is not support. Mature people can admire their opponents. Support would be saying or suggesting that Putin is justified in some higher sense than avarice, that his motive is admirable, since you asked. Trump is obviously detached and breezy here. Irreverently honest, like a comedian doing a bit. Better it make you think, than make you mad at the messenger.
      - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
        There's no distinction. If you admire someone and they did the smart thing - it means you would have done it, too, or else you're stupid. If you would've done it - you obviously support it.
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      - themacguffinman 5y ago
        If they had the motive? We don't really need to guess because Trump plainly suggests that America should do the same thing on its border with Mexico with the implied motive of solving the immigration crisis. The Trump quote that was posted is slightly incomplete: > And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper…We could use that on our southern border Oh, I can believe that Trump is being irreverently honest, just like your uncles, but I doubt your uncles are vying to be re-elected into a position that gives them the power to do such a thing.
    - wrycoder 5y ago
      >If admiration, cheerleading, and calling an invader "smart" - isn't support... What is? It was sarcasm. Here's what he said: Speaking with conservative podcaster Buck Sexton, the former president said: 'I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, "This is genius,"' Trump recalled. 'Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine -- Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful.' 'I said, "How smart is that?'" the former U.S. president continued. 'And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s the strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right.'
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ComradePhil 5y ago
You'll find it mostly in strawmen created by the war-mongering corporate media to try to make it seem that their political opponent is in bed with Russia. In reality, nobody supports it.

makomk 5y ago

Not just in the US. There's a very real possiblity that Jeremy Corbin could've been Prime Minister of the UK when this happened, and he's quite openly siding with Putin over this invasion and arguing the UK is actually to blame for it - as is the Stop the War Coalition and the broader left which he represents, much like their equivalents in the US are.

croes 5y ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/23/tucker-carlson-putin-russia-ukraine/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/23/tucker-carls... https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/02/jen-psaki-slams-donald-trumps-effusive-praise-vladimir-putin/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/02/jen-psaki-slams-donald-t...

onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago

Direct quote from Trump: "I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful. So Putin is now saying it's independent, a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper."

psyc 5y ago
That clearly reads to me as cynical admiration of the strategy, not support for its actual execution. And no those aren’t the same thing.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  And footage from a Wednesday fundraiser in Florida showed Trump calling Putin "smart" for moving in on Ukraine "for $2 worth of sanctions. Source: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/24/1082954761/republicans-are-condemning-putin-for-the-invasion-of-ukraine-and-criticizing-bid https://www.npr.org/2022/02/24/1082954761/republicans-are-co... Link to footage: https://twitter.com/american_bridge/status/1496682759208775683?s=21 https://twitter.com/american_bridge/status/14966827592087756... If admiration, cheerleading, and calling an invader "smart" - isn't support... What is?
  - psyc 5y ago
    I’m sorry but you’re swirling separate concepts together as well as misunderstanding Trump’s persona. I have uncles who talk exactly like this because it makes them sound worldly. Like it’s what they would have done if they had the motive, because they’re smart too. Admiration is not support. Mature people can admire their opponents. Support would be saying or suggesting that Putin is justified in some higher sense than avarice, that his motive is admirable, since you asked. Trump is obviously detached and breezy here. Irreverently honest, like a comedian doing a bit. Better it make you think, than make you mad at the messenger.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
      There's no distinction. If you admire someone and they did the smart thing - it means you would have done it, too, or else you're stupid. If you would've done it - you obviously support it.
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    - themacguffinman 5y ago
      If they had the motive? We don't really need to guess because Trump plainly suggests that America should do the same thing on its border with Mexico with the implied motive of solving the immigration crisis. The Trump quote that was posted is slightly incomplete: > And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper…We could use that on our southern border Oh, I can believe that Trump is being irreverently honest, just like your uncles, but I doubt your uncles are vying to be re-elected into a position that gives them the power to do such a thing.
  - wrycoder 5y ago
    >If admiration, cheerleading, and calling an invader "smart" - isn't support... What is? It was sarcasm. Here's what he said: Speaking with conservative podcaster Buck Sexton, the former president said: 'I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, "This is genius,"' Trump recalled. 'Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine -- Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful.' 'I said, "How smart is that?'" the former U.S. president continued. 'And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s the strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right.'

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ComradePhil 5y ago

You'll find it mostly in strawmen created by the war-mongering corporate media to try to make it seem that their political opponent is in bed with Russia. In reality, nobody supports it.