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I have always wondered- how exactly getting rid of Putin help us? More specifically, what is the guarantee that thwart they will be replacing with will not be I

I have always wondered- how exactly getting rid of Putin help us? More specifically, what is the guarantee that thwart they will be replacing with will not be ISIS or Taliban? Frankly after Iraq US has lost all credibility, the track record of replacing the status quo with “western style democracy” for all intents and purposes have proven disastrous for the local people and the US.

avmich 5y ago
It's not a guarantee that the new one will be better - it's the guarantee that the new one will be not the old one :) . As an example, Boris Yeltsin was a different kind of a leader. Of course, the idea is to prevent people from the same circle - with similar or worse ideas - to have the power. Robustly that's to be solved by the people of the country - who apparently suffer from lack of learning on the previous mistakes. Also, getting best solution takes longer time... to the initial results.
dvt 5y ago
> for all intents and purposes have proven disastrous for the local people and the US Except for the generation of Afghan girls that got to attend school for the ~20-years that the US was in charge.
- trasz 5y ago
  Except those that got droned.
  - dvt 5y ago
    More went to school than got droned, what's your point, that innocent people die in wars? People also die under Sharia Law. Pick your struggle.
    - the-dude 5y ago
      Are you seriously bringing up education of girls wrt to Afghanistan? It was an excuse to appease some Europeans to stay longer ( specifically the Dutch ). No leader or country will ever start a war because of some diversity concerns.
      - roca 5y ago
        The bigger point is that life for everyday Afghanis was better under the American occupation than it is now. (Partly because the Taliban can't feed them.) Too bad the warlords didn't agree.
        the-dude 5y ago
        You claim this, do you have sources? It only shows humanitarian aid is partisan.
        roca 5y ago
        Afghanis are starving now and Afghan girls can't go to school. (Yes, the Taliban are saying girls will be able to go to school again in March. We shall see.) Western allies spend huge amounts of money building roads and other infrastructure in Afghanistan, much of which the Taliban destroyed. Do you need links? Because you can probably google it as well as I can. You can't, on the one hand, claim that the Western allies were a malign influence in Afghanistan and also claim that Western aid is the only thing that can keep Afghans from starvation.
        the-dude 5y ago
        > You can't, on the one hand, claim that the Western allies were a malign influence in Afghanistan Did I? I don't think so. > also claim that Western aid is the only thing that can keep Afghans from starvation. I didn't claim that eiter AFAIR, but since you are bringing it up : sanctions were imposed, aid was halted and the economy collapsed. I am not saying that, the US admin is saying that : https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-sanctions-afghanistan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-sanctions-... I am not sure what your beef is, but you sound like a neocolonialist.
meijer 5y ago
Russia is not some third world country. There is at least a good chance it will have a better leader after Putin. Because Putin has become a terrible leader.
- the-dude 5y ago
  To be precise : it is a second world country.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    The second world no longer exists, by definition.

avmich 5y ago

It's not a guarantee that the new one will be better - it's the guarantee that the new one will be not the old one :) . As an example, Boris Yeltsin was a different kind of a leader. Of course, the idea is to prevent people from the same circle - with similar or worse ideas - to have the power. Robustly that's to be solved by the people of the country - who apparently suffer from lack of learning on the previous mistakes. Also, getting best solution takes longer time... to the initial results.

dvt 5y ago

> for all intents and purposes have proven disastrous for the local people and the US Except for the generation of Afghan girls that got to attend school for the ~20-years that the US was in charge.

trasz 5y ago
Except those that got droned.
- dvt 5y ago
  More went to school than got droned, what's your point, that innocent people die in wars? People also die under Sharia Law. Pick your struggle.
  - the-dude 5y ago
    Are you seriously bringing up education of girls wrt to Afghanistan? It was an excuse to appease some Europeans to stay longer ( specifically the Dutch ). No leader or country will ever start a war because of some diversity concerns.
    - roca 5y ago
      The bigger point is that life for everyday Afghanis was better under the American occupation than it is now. (Partly because the Taliban can't feed them.) Too bad the warlords didn't agree.
      - the-dude 5y ago
        You claim this, do you have sources? It only shows humanitarian aid is partisan.
        roca 5y ago
        Afghanis are starving now and Afghan girls can't go to school. (Yes, the Taliban are saying girls will be able to go to school again in March. We shall see.) Western allies spend huge amounts of money building roads and other infrastructure in Afghanistan, much of which the Taliban destroyed. Do you need links? Because you can probably google it as well as I can. You can't, on the one hand, claim that the Western allies were a malign influence in Afghanistan and also claim that Western aid is the only thing that can keep Afghans from starvation.
        the-dude 5y ago
        > You can't, on the one hand, claim that the Western allies were a malign influence in Afghanistan Did I? I don't think so. > also claim that Western aid is the only thing that can keep Afghans from starvation. I didn't claim that eiter AFAIR, but since you are bringing it up : sanctions were imposed, aid was halted and the economy collapsed. I am not saying that, the US admin is saying that : https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-sanctions-afghanistan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-sanctions-... I am not sure what your beef is, but you sound like a neocolonialist.

meijer 5y ago

Russia is not some third world country. There is at least a good chance it will have a better leader after Putin. Because Putin has become a terrible leader.

the-dude 5y ago
To be precise : it is a second world country.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  The second world no longer exists, by definition.