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So many gross Russian apologists on HN. Ukraine would be in a much better financial position if kleptocrats like Yanukovych hadn't siphoned billions of dollars

So many gross Russian apologists on HN. Ukraine would be in a much better financial position if kleptocrats like Yanukovych hadn't siphoned billions of dollars of public money into their own pockets with the help of American collaborators like Paul Manafort. Something like 1/2 of a year's GDP stolen by Yanukovych and his cronies. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-treasury-stripped-by-ousted-regime-10415765 https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-treasury-stripped-by-oust...

nopenopenopeno 5y ago
So what? Why is that the EU’s and NATO’s responsibility? He was legitimately elected. We never came up with a reason for war in Afghanistan for 20 years and haven’t been out of Afghanistan for 2 months, but Americans are already bending over backwards to start another one. Unreal.
- mikeyouse 5y ago
  He was narrowly elected and then had to flee the country once he started machine gunning unarmed protesters. Turns out his "narrow election" was at least partly due to the massive bribes he was paying out of the public coffers to election officials, opposition parties, & anti-corruption authorities. Literally nobody wants another war, hence why everyone is outraged at Russia for invading a peaceful Ukraine based on the paranoid delusions of a mad man.
  - nopenopenopeno 5y ago
    Oh, please! You’re just reciting the ridiculous American media. US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years, and it has been especially intense over the past few months. Putin is insane, but the US has given him every reason to believe that striking sooner than later is in his best interest. They didn’t have to do that, ya know. Americans have plenty of problems at home, and it is absolutely shameful that they can’t focus on them. Many parts of America are utter slums.
    - fairity 5y ago
      > US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years Source please.
      - sofixa 5y ago
        Not at all the person you're responding to, and don't agree in the slightest with their viewpoint, however from what i recall Hillary Clinton was selling herself very tough on Russia in the last election she lost.
        EvaK_de 5y ago
        "being tough on Russia" is very far from "aggressively rallying for war with Russia".
        sofixa 5y ago
        Personally that's how i interpreted her posture. It may have been all for show, but who knows.
        mikeyouse 5y ago
        When Hillary was running, Russia had just invaded Ukraine the first time. So Russia intervened in US elections to get someone more pliant elected. This war and any “aggressive” posture toward Russia is entirely of Moscow’s making.
        nopenopenopeno 5y ago
        Russiagate has been handily debunked, and its premise was always stupid. No country on Earth has meddled in nearly the number of foreign elections as the USA. This is universally understood history. It’s not up for debate. Only the propagandized American domestic population would have even considered Russiagate a newsworthy scandal. And only the propagandized American domestic population would have interpreted it as anything short of a failure on the part of America’s own leadership and commercialized election system.

nopenopenopeno 5y ago

So what? Why is that the EU’s and NATO’s responsibility? He was legitimately elected. We never came up with a reason for war in Afghanistan for 20 years and haven’t been out of Afghanistan for 2 months, but Americans are already bending over backwards to start another one. Unreal.

mikeyouse 5y ago
He was narrowly elected and then had to flee the country once he started machine gunning unarmed protesters. Turns out his "narrow election" was at least partly due to the massive bribes he was paying out of the public coffers to election officials, opposition parties, & anti-corruption authorities. Literally nobody wants another war, hence why everyone is outraged at Russia for invading a peaceful Ukraine based on the paranoid delusions of a mad man.
- nopenopenopeno 5y ago
  Oh, please! You’re just reciting the ridiculous American media. US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years, and it has been especially intense over the past few months. Putin is insane, but the US has given him every reason to believe that striking sooner than later is in his best interest. They didn’t have to do that, ya know. Americans have plenty of problems at home, and it is absolutely shameful that they can’t focus on them. Many parts of America are utter slums.
  - fairity 5y ago
    > US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years Source please.
    - sofixa 5y ago
      Not at all the person you're responding to, and don't agree in the slightest with their viewpoint, however from what i recall Hillary Clinton was selling herself very tough on Russia in the last election she lost.
      - EvaK_de 5y ago
        "being tough on Russia" is very far from "aggressively rallying for war with Russia".
        sofixa 5y ago
        Personally that's how i interpreted her posture. It may have been all for show, but who knows.
        mikeyouse 5y ago
        When Hillary was running, Russia had just invaded Ukraine the first time. So Russia intervened in US elections to get someone more pliant elected. This war and any “aggressive” posture toward Russia is entirely of Moscow’s making.
        nopenopenopeno 5y ago
        Russiagate has been handily debunked, and its premise was always stupid. No country on Earth has meddled in nearly the number of foreign elections as the USA. This is universally understood history. It’s not up for debate. Only the propagandized American domestic population would have even considered Russiagate a newsworthy scandal. And only the propagandized American domestic population would have interpreted it as anything short of a failure on the part of America’s own leadership and commercialized election system.