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The central bank accepts donations on behalf of the Ukrainian army: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-n

• nopenopenopeno 5y ago
  • oblio 5y ago
    This is crap. 9 Eastern European countries in the former Soviet sphere joined NATO and the EU and are currently going through one of their longest periods of growth and peace in their history. There can be no long term prosperity with Russia.
    • nopenopenopeno 5y ago
      They are being bled dry of everything the’ve got for the Western European elite. The benefits go to the upper classes while the working people suffer.
      • mantas 5y ago
        Coming from ex-USSR... Western European elite is much much much better than Russian elite...
      • beebeepka 5y ago
        That's true. I know because I am from Bulgaria. We're vassals one way or another. Bled dry is correct. The entire eastern block was sold out for peanuts during the 90s. I guess that was the price for joining NATO and the EU However, being US/EU vassals is better for us. I personally think that's mainly because the so called west has all the money in the world. That's the root cause. Not culture, values, etc. Those are all secondary to having money for so long. While I understand the stated reasons for the invasion, and they are much more valid then America's struggle to steal as much resources as possible from all over the world under the guise of "democracy" and "WMDs", I fear we'll be next. I don't want to be under their boots. My family has suffered enough under the Soviets It fucking sucks to be on the outskirts
        • oblio 5y ago
          You do know that Bulgaria, just like Romania, is crap at using EU development funds, right? Your country could look like Austria by now if you wouldn't be so corrupt. Look in the mirror first. How do you explain Slovenia or Estonia or Poland with your world outlook?
          • beebeepka 5y ago
            I agree. Bulgaria was on the right track until 2009. It's almost as if different countries face different realities. Corruption does not happen in a vacuum. Ultimately, the responsibility lies to those with power. What I am saying is geopolitics are not decided by the common person. You seem to disagree and that's fine
            • oblio 5y ago
              I think we're probably more aligned than you think :-) I think society is a slow, lumbering beast that's hard to turn around, and very unpredictable. I think that elites generally control things and the average person can't do much. But if <<only>> elites control <<always>> things and only in <<their>> favor, then we can't explain how developed countries happened. Long story short: the common person can't do much in general, but sometimes they can. Otherwise we can't explain stuff like Taiwan or South Korea or Estonia or Czechia or Slovenia or Ireland or whatever. So that means that the common person has a super low chance of changing anything, but that's their only hope. Giving up means that you have <<no>> chance, <<ever>>. And that's how you end up with Ukraine pre-2008 or Moldova pre-2014.
              • beebeepka 5y ago
                Yes, I agree with everything you said. Voting and protesting matter. Expression matters and is very important despite everything I said earlier. Otherwise everything would be even more alike than it is now. Your logic is sound.
              • jacquesm 5y ago
                Common people have a lot of power: if they unite. See Solidarnosc in Poland for a great example.
      • oblio 5y ago
        Ever heard of EU development funds? Foreign investment? The problem is local. Corruption. And I'd take Western elites over Russian ones any day of the week. There are 0 (ZERO!) developed countries in the Russian sphere of influence.
  • Hackbraten 5y ago
    I just donated to the Ukrainian army. They’re people too, and deserve the best medical and logistic support money can buy. The ruling class in Moscow isn’t just attacking some other ruling class. They’re attacking _my_ Europe. I don’t care about any military-industrial complex, or even the military in general. But the moment that some misguided person decides to launch rockets at Europe, I’m not willing to just sit back and let that happen.
    • nopenopenopeno 5y ago
      This is effectively no different than donating money to the United States military. I can hardly imagine a more ridiculous thing to do with money.
      • Hackbraten 5y ago
        That’s your point of view, and that’s fine. Mine doesn’t involve the United States at all. Try putting yourself in the shoes of a citizen of Europe who wants to live in peace, but feels their community is under attack by a nostalgic Russian dictator with an inferiority complex. Not resisting and not getting involved is what my grandparents did when the Nazis were rising to power. I’m not going to make the same mistake.
      • JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > no different than donating money to the United States military Which Americans did. In World War II. With donations, war bonds and by accepting massive sacrifices to their quality of life through rations, price controls and more. We did this when we felt threatened. Last I checked, the Canadians weren’t rolling tanks into Syracuse.
        • nopenopenopeno 5y ago
          This is precisely the delusion that makes America such an insane global actor. Get over yourself! The Nazis lost! The USSR won the war! Move on!