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Well sure, you can quit after all. There are many places where management are demanding people come into the office. Those are "forcing", for all intents and p
by rtpg 5y ago
Well sure, you can quit after all.
There are many places where management are demanding people come into the office. Those are "forcing", for all intents and purposes.
There are people who want to work in the office. My understanding is that those people can all do that if they choose so. They can even choose to go every day of the week if they want to.
So what is the problem? Why is there a debate? People can do what _they_ want, after all, right? Except that some people not only want to be in the office, but they want their coworkers to be in the office as well.
That is what is meant by "forcing" in this discussion. And that is where I have read the most pushback (especially for the big tech companies with huge, mostly unused, offices.
- refurb 5y agoSo if I stay late in the office I'm forcing everyone else to stay late too?
- malermeister 5y agoYou're not forcing everyone else, but you're actively making the culture worse by shifting expectations and making staying late more acceptable.
- refurb 5y agoGood lord. This sounds a union punishing employees who overproduce - “you’re making the rest of us look bad”. If someone decides to come in and you work remote that’s not forcing anything.
- malermeister 5y agoYes, same principle. By overproducing you're betraying your fellow workers by setting expectations for self-exploitation. Don't do more than you're paid to do. Employment conditions are a constant tug of war between employees wanting a better life and employers wanting to extract more value from them. Don't pull on the wrong end of the rope.
- refurb 5y agoThank god this attitude is rare or we’d still be riding horses.
- malermeister 5y agoThis attitude is why child labor is illegal and we have a 40 hour work week.
- jedberg 5y agoIf you're the manager and call a team meeting with required attendance, then yeah, you are. Which is essentially what most of these companies are doing. Requiring attendance at in person events. Or not providing the tools necessary to attend remotely when most of the team is in person. That is basically forcing people to come in.
- blub 5y agoA hybrid environment doesn't work if just a couple of people from a team or department go to the office and the rest are permanently working from home. You lose most of the advantages and still have to pay for office space, etc. That's why in my company the hybrid solution will probably look like "everyone from the team has to be in the office on day X of the week".