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> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrai

> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this would help in the short time. Maybe investing would help over the years; if Russia invades, investments may not help avoid the consequences?

id02009 5y ago
Most long term solutions don't work in short term, but you need to start them some day. One of the reasons why Russia attacked is weak, corrupt Ukrainian government. Other is economic dependency making everyone think twice before retaliating.
- simne 5y ago
  Agree. Thank You!
simne 5y ago
Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number of wounded, so they will be forced to stop attack, because have not enough medicine institutions to heal wounded. So I think, kremlin accounted for similar to 2014 behavior of Ukrainian soldiers, I mean, in 2014 many Ukrainian soldiers or even officers just drop weapons and surrendered, to avoid bloodshed, because they think it is not war, they think it is provocation. Now I have some under the hood tools, and with them I see totally different reaction. I know that border guards tried to stop occupants; I know that pilots got very clear instruction "You could fire if you sure see enemy"; I know, in many places, air defense fires on "unknown aircrafts". And it is important, that count of Russian military forces, prepared before occupation, where close to current Ukrainian army. And technical power of armies are similar now, except of aviation - Ukraine have approx few tens military planes and helicopters, but occupants have more than hundred, same thing with tanks. But Ukraine now have Stingers, Javelins, Bayraktars, and some other modern weapons, so powers similar. So, I think, in approximately 30 hours, hot phase of war will end, and will continue similar to "ATO", mean struggle on east, but possible in few additional places. Or if You have good understanding of Israel history, or history of Korea, their hot war phases, usually does not last more than few weeks, some oven few days, and between of those hot phases, where very-very long periods of economy struggle or just information wars. I have before analyzed Japan success, and I think, they have V-shape economy grows on every big earthquake, because they had to rebuild lot of things from scratch, this is very good for market competitiveness. Ukraine before 2014 does not seen so large examples of market falls, because of this Ukrainian business was not ready for real life, and I think, now its time to change selves.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  Thank you for the insight. Godspeed. If you have links to organisations we can support from far away (with money, labour or lobbying), those would be appreciated.
  - jtsuken 5y ago
    The central bank accepts donations on behalf of the Ukrainian army: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...
    - nopenopenopeno 5y ago
      - oblio 5y ago
        This is crap. 9 Eastern European countries in the former Soviet sphere joined NATO and the EU and are currently going through one of their longest periods of growth and peace in their history. There can be no long term prosperity with Russia.
        nopenopenopeno 5y ago
        They are being bled dry of everything the’ve got for the Western European elite. The benefits go to the upper classes while the working people suffer.
        mantas 5y ago
        Coming from ex-USSR... Western European elite is much much much better than Russian elite...
        beebeepka 5y ago
        That's true. I know because I am from Bulgaria. We're vassals one way or another. Bled dry is correct. The entire eastern block was sold out for peanuts during the 90s. I guess that was the price for joining NATO and the EU However, being US/EU vassals is better for us. I personally think that's mainly because the so called west has all the money in the world. That's the root cause. Not culture, values, etc. Those are all secondary to having money for so long. While I understand the stated reasons for the invasion, and they are much more valid then America's struggle to steal as much resources as possible from all over the world under the guise of "democracy" and "WMDs", I fear we'll be next. I don't want to be under their boots. My family has suffered enough under the Soviets It fucking sucks to be on the outskirts
reitanqild 5y ago
Already I'll do what I can: I browsed Ukraine web shops and found at least Spar has an open webshop: https://shop.spar.ua/ https://shop.spar.ua/ . If anyone has an address to order for I'll try ordering some goods for the front line, bunkers or what do I know. In the longer term I'll do what I already do to China: I happily pay 20% more for small goods not made in China and in fact I try to avoid buying Chinese. At the same time I'll happily pay even a bit more for Lithuanian goods after their brave stance the last few months. (Lithuanians, make sure "Made in Lithuania" is visible on everything you ship. You guys rock!)
- sofixa 5y ago
  > Lithuanians, make sure "Made in Lithuania" is visible on everything you ship. You guys rock!) In some cases smaller European countries' manufacturers prefer to put "Made in the EU" because it's more reputable. No idea if the Lithuanians do it too.
- simne 5y ago
  Thank you! At the moment, my contacts are extremely busy, trying to evacuate families to safe places. These two contacts seem most trustful for me: https://www.facebook.com/serhiyprytula/posts/505236280960977 https://www.facebook.com/serhiyprytula/posts/505236280960977 https://www.facebook.com/backandalive/posts/2231987336958691 https://www.facebook.com/backandalive/posts/2231987336958691 I will write additional info when will have.

id02009 5y ago

Most long term solutions don't work in short term, but you need to start them some day. One of the reasons why Russia attacked is weak, corrupt Ukrainian government. Other is economic dependency making everyone think twice before retaliating.

simne 5y ago
Agree. Thank You!

simne 5y ago

Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number of wounded, so they will be forced to stop attack, because have not enough medicine institutions to heal wounded. So I think, kremlin accounted for similar to 2014 behavior of Ukrainian soldiers, I mean, in 2014 many Ukrainian soldiers or even officers just drop weapons and surrendered, to avoid bloodshed, because they think it is not war, they think it is provocation. Now I have some under the hood tools, and with them I see totally different reaction. I know that border guards tried to stop occupants; I know that pilots got very clear instruction "You could fire if you sure see enemy"; I know, in many places, air defense fires on "unknown aircrafts". And it is important, that count of Russian military forces, prepared before occupation, where close to current Ukrainian army. And technical power of armies are similar now, except of aviation - Ukraine have approx few tens military planes and helicopters, but occupants have more than hundred, same thing with tanks. But Ukraine now have Stingers, Javelins, Bayraktars, and some other modern weapons, so powers similar. So, I think, in approximately 30 hours, hot phase of war will end, and will continue similar to "ATO", mean struggle on east, but possible in few additional places. Or if You have good understanding of Israel history, or history of Korea, their hot war phases, usually does not last more than few weeks, some oven few days, and between of those hot phases, where very-very long periods of economy struggle or just information wars. I have before analyzed Japan success, and I think, they have V-shape economy grows on every big earthquake, because they had to rebuild lot of things from scratch, this is very good for market competitiveness. Ukraine before 2014 does not seen so large examples of market falls, because of this Ukrainian business was not ready for real life, and I think, now its time to change selves.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
Thank you for the insight. Godspeed. If you have links to organisations we can support from far away (with money, labour or lobbying), those would be appreciated.
- jtsuken 5y ago
  The central bank accepts donations on behalf of the Ukrainian army: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...
  - nopenopenopeno 5y ago
    - oblio 5y ago
      This is crap. 9 Eastern European countries in the former Soviet sphere joined NATO and the EU and are currently going through one of their longest periods of growth and peace in their history. There can be no long term prosperity with Russia.
      - nopenopenopeno 5y ago
        They are being bled dry of everything the’ve got for the Western European elite. The benefits go to the upper classes while the working people suffer.
        mantas 5y ago
        Coming from ex-USSR... Western European elite is much much much better than Russian elite...
        beebeepka 5y ago
        That's true. I know because I am from Bulgaria. We're vassals one way or another. Bled dry is correct. The entire eastern block was sold out for peanuts during the 90s. I guess that was the price for joining NATO and the EU However, being US/EU vassals is better for us. I personally think that's mainly because the so called west has all the money in the world. That's the root cause. Not culture, values, etc. Those are all secondary to having money for so long. While I understand the stated reasons for the invasion, and they are much more valid then America's struggle to steal as much resources as possible from all over the world under the guise of "democracy" and "WMDs", I fear we'll be next. I don't want to be under their boots. My family has suffered enough under the Soviets It fucking sucks to be on the outskirts

reitanqild 5y ago

Already I'll do what I can: I browsed Ukraine web shops and found at least Spar has an open webshop: https://shop.spar.ua/ https://shop.spar.ua/ . If anyone has an address to order for I'll try ordering some goods for the front line, bunkers or what do I know. In the longer term I'll do what I already do to China: I happily pay 20% more for small goods not made in China and in fact I try to avoid buying Chinese. At the same time I'll happily pay even a bit more for Lithuanian goods after their brave stance the last few months. (Lithuanians, make sure "Made in Lithuania" is visible on everything you ship. You guys rock!)

sofixa 5y ago
> Lithuanians, make sure "Made in Lithuania" is visible on everything you ship. You guys rock!) In some cases smaller European countries' manufacturers prefer to put "Made in the EU" because it's more reputable. No idea if the Lithuanians do it too.
simne 5y ago
Thank you! At the moment, my contacts are extremely busy, trying to evacuate families to safe places. These two contacts seem most trustful for me: https://www.facebook.com/serhiyprytula/posts/505236280960977 https://www.facebook.com/serhiyprytula/posts/505236280960977 https://www.facebook.com/backandalive/posts/2231987336958691 https://www.facebook.com/backandalive/posts/2231987336958691 I will write additional info when will have.