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A perspective you don't share is ridiculous, so your explanation is "evil"? Maybe, it's more likely that you just don't understand it.

jacquesm 5y ago
Sure, that must be it. Russia has a perfect right to encroach on whatever territories border their nation because they can't handle having sovereign nations at their borders. And of course after that they get to do it again. No, it's ridiculous.
- Svettie 5y ago
  Again, something being ridiculous (to you) does not make it evil. And your straw man has nothing to do with my response
  - pcwalton 5y ago
    I'm happy calling initiating a completely preventable conflict that nobody wanted that has resulted in the deaths of 137, 17 of whom are Ukrainian civilians, and 316 wounded evil. There's no meaningful moral difference between what Putin did and outright murdering 17 people. He knew innocent Ukrainians (and, for that matter, innocent Russians) would die and didn't care.
    - rayiner 5y ago
      Well that’s not how anything works. E.g. how many babies might be saved by Russian economic development from having access to the sea through Ukraine? At this scale the moral calculus isn’t easy.
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      - jacquesm 5y ago
        Of all the disgusting comments this really takes the cake. Russian economic development through war doesn't save Russian babies, it will kill them.
        rayiner 5y ago
        War has led to plenty of development through history, and development saves babies. Do you think Italy or Germany would have been better off as bickering principalities, without Giribaldi or Bismarck? Do you think China would have been better off as a bunch of warring states?
        euroclydon 5y ago
        So we got it wrong with the sanctions then. We should actually be providing economic stimulus to Russia right now
        rayiner 5y ago
        We shouldn’t be economically sanctioning countries that aren’t threatening us directly. It causes tremendous suffering and death, e.g. in Iran: https://mcgillbusinessreview.com/articles/the-human-cost-of-economic-sanctions https://mcgillbusinessreview.com/articles/the-human-cost-of-...
        euroclydon 5y ago
        I agree on Iran but this is different. We could have sold steel and fuel to the Germans and Japanese in WW2, but we didn’t because they were engaged in something evil.
        rayiner 5y ago
        The Germans were engaged in the holocaust, which was evil. The Russians are invading a sovereign country to replace the government, which the US has done twice in as many decades.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    MH17 ring a bell? Seriously done with Russia apologists for today.
    - Svettie 5y ago
      Call me what you wish, but it's not true. If you're done then log off and stop spamming your replies to every single comment in this thread, and leave some space for any other opinion. You're just ranting
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        I won't be told to shut up by you or anybody else for that matter, nine years on HN and this is what brings you out to comment with a bunch of disinformation? Pretty clear which side you are on.
        Svettie 5y ago
        That's not the case. But anyway, after a night to clear my head I realize this is an emotional time for everyone, and I'm sorry for stirring you up. I was reacting to my own things. I definitely don't support this war, nor any further bloodshed. I wish for peace, and peace to you as well. Have a good day

jacquesm 5y ago

Sure, that must be it. Russia has a perfect right to encroach on whatever territories border their nation because they can't handle having sovereign nations at their borders. And of course after that they get to do it again. No, it's ridiculous.

Svettie 5y ago
Again, something being ridiculous (to you) does not make it evil. And your straw man has nothing to do with my response
- pcwalton 5y ago
  I'm happy calling initiating a completely preventable conflict that nobody wanted that has resulted in the deaths of 137, 17 of whom are Ukrainian civilians, and 316 wounded evil. There's no meaningful moral difference between what Putin did and outright murdering 17 people. He knew innocent Ukrainians (and, for that matter, innocent Russians) would die and didn't care.
  - rayiner 5y ago
    Well that’s not how anything works. E.g. how many babies might be saved by Russian economic development from having access to the sea through Ukraine? At this scale the moral calculus isn’t easy.
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    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Of all the disgusting comments this really takes the cake. Russian economic development through war doesn't save Russian babies, it will kill them.
      - rayiner 5y ago
        War has led to plenty of development through history, and development saves babies. Do you think Italy or Germany would have been better off as bickering principalities, without Giribaldi or Bismarck? Do you think China would have been better off as a bunch of warring states?
        euroclydon 5y ago
        So we got it wrong with the sanctions then. We should actually be providing economic stimulus to Russia right now
        rayiner 5y ago
        We shouldn’t be economically sanctioning countries that aren’t threatening us directly. It causes tremendous suffering and death, e.g. in Iran: https://mcgillbusinessreview.com/articles/the-human-cost-of-economic-sanctions https://mcgillbusinessreview.com/articles/the-human-cost-of-...
        euroclydon 5y ago
        I agree on Iran but this is different. We could have sold steel and fuel to the Germans and Japanese in WW2, but we didn’t because they were engaged in something evil.
        rayiner 5y ago
        The Germans were engaged in the holocaust, which was evil. The Russians are invading a sovereign country to replace the government, which the US has done twice in as many decades.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  MH17 ring a bell? Seriously done with Russia apologists for today.
  - Svettie 5y ago
    Call me what you wish, but it's not true. If you're done then log off and stop spamming your replies to every single comment in this thread, and leave some space for any other opinion. You're just ranting
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      I won't be told to shut up by you or anybody else for that matter, nine years on HN and this is what brings you out to comment with a bunch of disinformation? Pretty clear which side you are on.
      - Svettie 5y ago
        That's not the case. But anyway, after a night to clear my head I realize this is an emotional time for everyone, and I'm sorry for stirring you up. I was reacting to my own things. I definitely don't support this war, nor any further bloodshed. I wish for peace, and peace to you as well. Have a good day