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Not really. You really think people can’t look at a crowd of protestors and think they’re idiots who should be destroyed? I’ve seen some protestors right here i

by xwdv 5y ago

Not really. You really think people can’t look at a crowd of protestors and think they’re idiots who should be destroyed? I’ve seen some protestors right here in the USA who I felt should be destroyed. Put me in the right place at the right time with the right weaponry and give me strict orders and I’m not so sure I would have a change of heart. I imagine a crazy Russian would be less forgiving.

agumonkey 5y ago
You have serious issues if you think peaceful protesters should be "destroyed".
- elil17 5y ago
  If GP is on the left wing, they probably think that the January 6th insurrectionists were enemy combatants trying to take over America. If GP is on the right wing, the probably think that people protesting policy brutality/the George Floyd murder are rioters/criminals. I think that most Americans will agree that one of the above viewpoints I correct (although everyone disagrees about which one).
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  - TheFreim 5y ago
    Below I've written a response but first would like to add this preface: I am having trouble wording what I am trying to mean properly and have struggled. I did my best, abusing a large amount of scare quotes, but its not perfect. If you need clarification just let me know. I believe you have created, in my estimation, a false dichotomy. You frame those involved in "January 6th" as "insurrectionists" while also framing the entire Floyd saga as "protesting police brutality". The Republicans, in my personal interactions at least, specify that they opposed "riots" and many have said they aren't reffering to all of the peaceful protests. They don't appose "protesters" but "rioters". Conversely, again in my personal experience, Democrats will frame the "Jan. 6th" events as an "insurrection" unilaterally.
    - elil17 5y ago
      I obviously have my own opinion on the issue, but I firmly believe both Rs and Ds are not so black and white in their understanding. I know that most Republicans know that the majority of protesters against George Floyd were inarguably peaceful. As a Democrat, I also know that some protestors broke into stores and such - I just don’t care about these businesses and I think the discussion of theft distracts from the serious issue at hand, which is murder. As a Democrat, I also know that most people who showed up on 1/6 went to a rally on the mall and then went home. Everyone also agrees that a subset of those people entered or tried to enter the US Capitol building. Most of these people were simply content with taking photos and/or shitting on the floor, but subset of that subset wanted to kidnap and/or murder elected officials. I think that this attempt to kidnap and/or murder politicians is the most significant thing that happened on 1/6. I’m sure many other people believe that discussing the crimes committed in that day detracts from what they view as the more important discussion, which is whether congress should have overturned the election results.
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- drusepth 5y ago
  Unless their comment was edited, it doesn't specifically reference "peaceful" protesters.
  - Lascaille 5y ago
    If they're not peaceful - for example, if they're setting buildings on fire - they aren't protestors, they're rioters.
    - Izkata 5y ago
      > if they're setting buildings on fire They still get called "protestors" by the US media if they have the approved politics. For example, a year and a half ago: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513902-cnn-ridiculed-for-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-caption-with-video-of-burning https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513902-cnn-ridiculed-for-... I suspect that's the usage of they were referring to.
- Talanes 5y ago
  Maybe true, but that does only strengthen their point. Anyone who's paid any attention to American social media discourse over the past couple of years should realize how tragically easy it is to dehumanize a group of protesters.

by xwdv 5y ago

agumonkey 5y ago

You have serious issues if you think peaceful protesters should be "destroyed".

elil17 5y ago
If GP is on the left wing, they probably think that the January 6th insurrectionists were enemy combatants trying to take over America. If GP is on the right wing, the probably think that people protesting policy brutality/the George Floyd murder are rioters/criminals. I think that most Americans will agree that one of the above viewpoints I correct (although everyone disagrees about which one).
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- TheFreim 5y ago
  Below I've written a response but first would like to add this preface: I am having trouble wording what I am trying to mean properly and have struggled. I did my best, abusing a large amount of scare quotes, but its not perfect. If you need clarification just let me know. I believe you have created, in my estimation, a false dichotomy. You frame those involved in "January 6th" as "insurrectionists" while also framing the entire Floyd saga as "protesting police brutality". The Republicans, in my personal interactions at least, specify that they opposed "riots" and many have said they aren't reffering to all of the peaceful protests. They don't appose "protesters" but "rioters". Conversely, again in my personal experience, Democrats will frame the "Jan. 6th" events as an "insurrection" unilaterally.
  - elil17 5y ago
    I obviously have my own opinion on the issue, but I firmly believe both Rs and Ds are not so black and white in their understanding. I know that most Republicans know that the majority of protesters against George Floyd were inarguably peaceful. As a Democrat, I also know that some protestors broke into stores and such - I just don’t care about these businesses and I think the discussion of theft distracts from the serious issue at hand, which is murder. As a Democrat, I also know that most people who showed up on 1/6 went to a rally on the mall and then went home. Everyone also agrees that a subset of those people entered or tried to enter the US Capitol building. Most of these people were simply content with taking photos and/or shitting on the floor, but subset of that subset wanted to kidnap and/or murder elected officials. I think that this attempt to kidnap and/or murder politicians is the most significant thing that happened on 1/6. I’m sure many other people believe that discussing the crimes committed in that day detracts from what they view as the more important discussion, which is whether congress should have overturned the election results.
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drusepth 5y ago
Unless their comment was edited, it doesn't specifically reference "peaceful" protesters.
- Lascaille 5y ago
  If they're not peaceful - for example, if they're setting buildings on fire - they aren't protestors, they're rioters.
  - Izkata 5y ago
    > if they're setting buildings on fire They still get called "protestors" by the US media if they have the approved politics. For example, a year and a half ago: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513902-cnn-ridiculed-for-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-caption-with-video-of-burning https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513902-cnn-ridiculed-for-... I suspect that's the usage of they were referring to.
Talanes 5y ago
Maybe true, but that does only strengthen their point. Anyone who's paid any attention to American social media discourse over the past couple of years should realize how tragically easy it is to dehumanize a group of protesters.