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sounds like the Not-Invented-Here anti-pattern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here

gersh 15y ago
Wasn't Ruby invented in Japan?
- shioyama 15y ago
  Quoting from the post: I hear the weeaboos across the world now screaming “what about Ruby!”, but Ruby just proves the point. A Mormon Japanese dude (read: English literate, world-focused, non-Otaku, non-loner mindset) coupled with an excellent framework that gained fame world-wide (Rails). It’s nice that there are great Japanese Rubyists but they are not responsible for the popularity of the language. The Japanese in question is this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihiro_Matsumoto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihiro_Matsumoto .
- aculver 15y ago
  Yes, Ruby (programming language) was, but Rails (a force-multiplying framework) wasn't. Also, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my observation was that Rails adoption was not nearly as strong among Japanese Rubyist as it was in other places.
  - shioyama 15y ago
    Yes, that's correct. Ruby is much more widely known that Rails, although I have the feeling that is changing. A few years ago Cookpad (http://cookpad.com/ http://cookpad.com/), a Japanese recipe site with millions of users, switched to Rails. That may be contributing to a change in awareness locally.
    - flocial 15y ago
      16 job listings for rails: https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=rails https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc... 53 ruby https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=ruby https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc... 207 java https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=java https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc... 169 php https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=php https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc...
    - minikomi 15y ago
      Yes Cookpad is really involved in promoting Rails use in Japan - and they should be. Their user base boasts 1 in every 2 20-30y.o. women in Japan. Astounding metric.
  - flocial 15y ago
    One interesting phenomenon is the how Ruby and Rails are mostly in parallel worlds. It can't just be a language barrier. There are lots of initiatives like JRuby and Rubinius that are more or less ignored by the Ruby Core team. With all the Ruby enthusiasts outside of Japan, it seems unnatural that most of the core commiters are still Japanese. http://svn.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/trunk/ http://svn.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/trunk/
stonemetal 15y ago
There is a difference between NIH and loosing 3 months a year translating documentation. How much time would you loose if 100% of ruby documentation was written in Japanese, and any question you had you had translate to Japanese to get it answered then translate the answer back to your native language?

gersh 15y ago

Wasn't Ruby invented in Japan?

shioyama 15y ago
Quoting from the post: I hear the weeaboos across the world now screaming “what about Ruby!”, but Ruby just proves the point. A Mormon Japanese dude (read: English literate, world-focused, non-Otaku, non-loner mindset) coupled with an excellent framework that gained fame world-wide (Rails). It’s nice that there are great Japanese Rubyists but they are not responsible for the popularity of the language. The Japanese in question is this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihiro_Matsumoto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihiro_Matsumoto .
aculver 15y ago
Yes, Ruby (programming language) was, but Rails (a force-multiplying framework) wasn't. Also, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my observation was that Rails adoption was not nearly as strong among Japanese Rubyist as it was in other places.
- shioyama 15y ago
  Yes, that's correct. Ruby is much more widely known that Rails, although I have the feeling that is changing. A few years ago Cookpad (http://cookpad.com/ http://cookpad.com/), a Japanese recipe site with millions of users, switched to Rails. That may be contributing to a change in awareness locally.
  - flocial 15y ago
    16 job listings for rails: https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=rails https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc... 53 ruby https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=ruby https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc... 207 java https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=java https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc... 169 php https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuchi=0&keitai=0&from=23&category=0&ky_kind=0&ky_from=0&do_search=1&keyword=php https://www.find-job.net/fj/search.cgi?shokushu=0&kinmuc...
  - minikomi 15y ago
    Yes Cookpad is really involved in promoting Rails use in Japan - and they should be. Their user base boasts 1 in every 2 20-30y.o. women in Japan. Astounding metric.
- flocial 15y ago
  One interesting phenomenon is the how Ruby and Rails are mostly in parallel worlds. It can't just be a language barrier. There are lots of initiatives like JRuby and Rubinius that are more or less ignored by the Ruby Core team. With all the Ruby enthusiasts outside of Japan, it seems unnatural that most of the core commiters are still Japanese. http://svn.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/trunk/ http://svn.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/trunk/

stonemetal 15y ago

There is a difference between NIH and loosing 3 months a year translating documentation. How much time would you loose if 100% of ruby documentation was written in Japanese, and any question you had you had translate to Japanese to get it answered then translate the answer back to your native language?