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Grilling is _under_ a hot surface. Like broiling. But when you broil you use a different pan. Or something. Now if you want a really weird distinction: baking

Grilling is _under_ a hot surface. Like broiling. But when you broil you use a different pan. Or something. Now if you want a really weird distinction: baking and roasting. Same appliance, much more similar temperatures than you might think, often only subtly different prep. You might think, no, you "bake" things that rise or are transformed by the process, like dough. But you might also "bake" potatoes and fish. Or you might say that roasting involves oil and basting, but you might baste baked fish. Or roasting involves an open dish or tray. But often so does baking. In this case it really is a kind of convention in English, in the same way that adjective order force is a convention. We generally consistently use one word for a given application or a given origin of the food. Messes with my head.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> Grilling is _under_ a hot surface. Absolutely not. Grilling is on top of a hot surface, often underneath the open atmosphere. The sky is not a hot surface.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  This is another word disagreement then. You mean grilling of the kind that is also done _outdoors_ there. Heating on wire above fire. Like the Aussies we call it "barbecuing". They do it all the time; here it is understandably done very infrequently, and is generally known to reliably summon rain. In a British kitchen, certainly domestically, what is called "grilling" does involve cooking on a wire grill, but invariably under a radiating heat element positioned above the food. In, like, 100% of cases. With my gas cooker it's a separate (eye level) set of gas jets. In an electric cooker it's either a specific element mounted on the roof of the smaller top oven, or it's a use of only one of the two or more elements in that oven. But the grill is always above. If we cook food in its own juices on an heated flat surface indoors, that would be a "griddle" or a "hot plate" -- that's what the commercial burger cooking machinery is called. Essentially nobody has that equipment inside their homes; safety standards would tend not to allow it. This is one of those things that shows that no nation owns the meaning of a word.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    > If we cook food in its own juices on an heated flat surface indoors, that would be a "griddle" or a "hot plate" -- that's what the commercial burger cooking machinery is called. To me a hot plate is a (small, portable) substitute for a stove, rather than being the device you use to cook the food, which would rest on top of the stove or hot plate. They are best known for being something college students can smuggle into dorm rooms. I occasionally visit a fondue restaurant which offers, among other options, a "grill" for the meat course, and the grill is a griddle (a lightly curved slab of iron rested on a heat source) with no cover. You also make me curious what you think of the George Foreman Grill, which as I understand it is a ridged, hinged, self-heating griddle that you fold around whatever hopefully-flat thing you want to grill. Almost exactly the same as a waffle iron, except it's a "grill" instead. Anyway, outdoor grilling is certainly a part of American culture, but the American concept of a "grill" is not restricted to that, and clearly includes cooking on a griddle. (To your earlier point, I tend to agree that there are many words that basically just mean "cook", and the particular word used is determined by convention according to the object being cooked. Bread is baked; beef is not baked, even if what you do to the beef is identical to what you do to the bread.)
    - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
      > To me a hot plate is a (small, portable) substitute for a stove Also that here too (or the plate of an old-style metal electric cooker). Portable hot plates are a thing again here but were out of favour for a good while, again due to electrical safety standards. > You also make me curious what you think of the George Foreman Grill, which as I understand it is a ridged, hinged, self-heating griddle that you fold around whatever hopefully-flat thing you want to grill. Almost exactly the same as a waffle iron, except it's a "grill" instead. I think in Europe and the UK we were kind of confused that the George Foreman Grill was such a big deal; we've had press-type grills like that over a long period, particularly as panini presses. But they've always been used to cook things like bacon. What makes the George Foreman Grill good is the quality of its construction. When I was a student we relied on a toasted sandwich maker; like a smaller panini press, a bit like a waffle iron except designed to enclose, seal and cook a filling -- cheese and tomato, tuna etc. -- between two slices of bread. Genius invention but capable of heating cheese beyond what is allowed by physics. You definitely could cook other things in a toasted sandwich maker if you were OK with them coming out triangle-shaped. This is making me hungry (and homesick for my vintage gas cooker, since where I am staying has a decidedly unimpressive early 90s electric cooker) > (To your earlier point, I tend to agree that there are many words that basically just mean "cook", and the particular word used is determined by convention according to the object being cooked. Bread is baked; beef is not baked, even if what you do to the beef is identical to what you do to the bread.) Right. It also occured to me last night that there are heritage/legacy aspects. e.g. perhaps "roasting" comes from cooking over open fire on a stick; we just now do it in an oven.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> Grilling is _under_ a hot surface. Absolutely not. Grilling is on top of a hot surface, often underneath the open atmosphere. The sky is not a hot surface.

unfocussed_mike 5y ago
This is another word disagreement then. You mean grilling of the kind that is also done _outdoors_ there. Heating on wire above fire. Like the Aussies we call it "barbecuing". They do it all the time; here it is understandably done very infrequently, and is generally known to reliably summon rain. In a British kitchen, certainly domestically, what is called "grilling" does involve cooking on a wire grill, but invariably under a radiating heat element positioned above the food. In, like, 100% of cases. With my gas cooker it's a separate (eye level) set of gas jets. In an electric cooker it's either a specific element mounted on the roof of the smaller top oven, or it's a use of only one of the two or more elements in that oven. But the grill is always above. If we cook food in its own juices on an heated flat surface indoors, that would be a "griddle" or a "hot plate" -- that's what the commercial burger cooking machinery is called. Essentially nobody has that equipment inside their homes; safety standards would tend not to allow it. This is one of those things that shows that no nation owns the meaning of a word.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > If we cook food in its own juices on an heated flat surface indoors, that would be a "griddle" or a "hot plate" -- that's what the commercial burger cooking machinery is called. To me a hot plate is a (small, portable) substitute for a stove, rather than being the device you use to cook the food, which would rest on top of the stove or hot plate. They are best known for being something college students can smuggle into dorm rooms. I occasionally visit a fondue restaurant which offers, among other options, a "grill" for the meat course, and the grill is a griddle (a lightly curved slab of iron rested on a heat source) with no cover. You also make me curious what you think of the George Foreman Grill, which as I understand it is a ridged, hinged, self-heating griddle that you fold around whatever hopefully-flat thing you want to grill. Almost exactly the same as a waffle iron, except it's a "grill" instead. Anyway, outdoor grilling is certainly a part of American culture, but the American concept of a "grill" is not restricted to that, and clearly includes cooking on a griddle. (To your earlier point, I tend to agree that there are many words that basically just mean "cook", and the particular word used is determined by convention according to the object being cooked. Bread is baked; beef is not baked, even if what you do to the beef is identical to what you do to the bread.)
  - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
    > To me a hot plate is a (small, portable) substitute for a stove Also that here too (or the plate of an old-style metal electric cooker). Portable hot plates are a thing again here but were out of favour for a good while, again due to electrical safety standards. > You also make me curious what you think of the George Foreman Grill, which as I understand it is a ridged, hinged, self-heating griddle that you fold around whatever hopefully-flat thing you want to grill. Almost exactly the same as a waffle iron, except it's a "grill" instead. I think in Europe and the UK we were kind of confused that the George Foreman Grill was such a big deal; we've had press-type grills like that over a long period, particularly as panini presses. But they've always been used to cook things like bacon. What makes the George Foreman Grill good is the quality of its construction. When I was a student we relied on a toasted sandwich maker; like a smaller panini press, a bit like a waffle iron except designed to enclose, seal and cook a filling -- cheese and tomato, tuna etc. -- between two slices of bread. Genius invention but capable of heating cheese beyond what is allowed by physics. You definitely could cook other things in a toasted sandwich maker if you were OK with them coming out triangle-shaped. This is making me hungry (and homesick for my vintage gas cooker, since where I am staying has a decidedly unimpressive early 90s electric cooker) > (To your earlier point, I tend to agree that there are many words that basically just mean "cook", and the particular word used is determined by convention according to the object being cooked. Bread is baked; beef is not baked, even if what you do to the beef is identical to what you do to the bread.) Right. It also occured to me last night that there are heritage/legacy aspects. e.g. perhaps "roasting" comes from cooking over open fire on a stick; we just now do it in an oven.