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But the civil war in the Ukraine has been going on for 8 years, 12k people have died over this time and the shelling has been fairly continuous over this time w

But the civil war in the Ukraine has been going on for 8 years, 12k people have died over this time and the shelling has been fairly continuous over this time with only short lived cease fires. So what has been happening is already similar to Yugoslavia. However, what is happening now is very different. This is more like when the US attacked Libya and it was over in two weeks.

djxfade 5y ago
"Civil war". It has always been a Russian proxy war
zarzavat 5y ago
> This is more like when the US attacked Libya and it was over in two weeks. If by over you mean becoming a failed state and years of subsequent civil war then yes. Putin will face a similar problem in Ukraine, he can punish it but he won’t be able to hold it because the population absolutely hates Russia’s guts.
- lrhegeba 5y ago
  Putin won't care, he will most likely install a regime of Ukraine nationals. As Putin talks of nazis and the need to "purge": this time less like Yanukovitch, more like the brutal Chechen Kadyrow. very depressing
  - zarzavat 5y ago
    I don’t see Putin being able to build the organs of a pro-Russian state in Ukraine, even a repressive one. The population is far too hostile to the idea, and too militarized. In my opinion the more likely outcome if Putin doesn’t stop is Syria: total collapse, the civilian population flees and only militants remain.
- ironcurtain 5y ago
  - bronson 5y ago
BbzzbB 5y ago
My point wasn't how similar or different these conflicts are, I hope it didn't come off that way as I don't wish to start such a debate, the result is people suffering needlessly either way. But my last sentence with regards to war lurking may have been off-base if that's your point. I just meant to point out, using my family's experience and in response to GP's girlfriend's "out of nowhere" comment, how easy it is to not recognize the seriousness of a conflict as it is starting and even as it's been ongoing for years.

djxfade 5y ago

"Civil war". It has always been a Russian proxy war

zarzavat 5y ago

> This is more like when the US attacked Libya and it was over in two weeks. If by over you mean becoming a failed state and years of subsequent civil war then yes. Putin will face a similar problem in Ukraine, he can punish it but he won’t be able to hold it because the population absolutely hates Russia’s guts.

lrhegeba 5y ago
Putin won't care, he will most likely install a regime of Ukraine nationals. As Putin talks of nazis and the need to "purge": this time less like Yanukovitch, more like the brutal Chechen Kadyrow. very depressing
- zarzavat 5y ago
  I don’t see Putin being able to build the organs of a pro-Russian state in Ukraine, even a repressive one. The population is far too hostile to the idea, and too militarized. In my opinion the more likely outcome if Putin doesn’t stop is Syria: total collapse, the civilian population flees and only militants remain.
ironcurtain 5y ago
- bronson 5y ago

BbzzbB 5y ago

My point wasn't how similar or different these conflicts are, I hope it didn't come off that way as I don't wish to start such a debate, the result is people suffering needlessly either way. But my last sentence with regards to war lurking may have been off-base if that's your point. I just meant to point out, using my family's experience and in response to GP's girlfriend's "out of nowhere" comment, how easy it is to not recognize the seriousness of a conflict as it is starting and even as it's been ongoing for years.