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That's such a straightforward narrative, but then why has no major power ever been able to annex and occupy an unwilling nation before? Everywhere Russia has t
by RC_ITR 5y ago
That's such a straightforward narrative, but then why has no major power ever been able to annex and occupy an unwilling nation before?
Everywhere Russia has taken to date was already a separatist region, but I'm really racking my brain to think of times when a country 'just simply annexed' another area by force since the fall of the Raj.
- brimble 5y agoYeah, having trouble thinking of one since '57. Examples abound from the first half of the 20th century (and certainly before then), but less so in the latter half. Smaller states, though, yes. But not major powers. This may have more to do with shifting priorities for major powers, than with anything else.
- bombcar 5y agoTibet?
- RC_ITR 5y agoTibet was under control of the Qing Dynasty (i.e. China) until its end in 1912. From 1912-1950, Tibet (due to its remoteness) acted as an de facto independent region, despite Western legal precedent stating it was still under the control of Beijing. When attempting to get de jure independence from China in 1951, China asserted control over the region. So sort of, but not really.
- slaw 5y agoSo if you occupy country for long enough it’s ok to invade it when it tries to get independent?
- drekipus 5y agoHong Kong?
- RC_ITR 5y agothat was a 99 year lease expiring. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_for_the_Extension_of_Hong_Kong_Territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_for_the_Extension_o...
- throw10920 5y ago...the Sino-British Joint Declaration is still in effect, until 2047. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration
- bllguo 5y agoDoesn't change the fact that HK was not "annexed," nor was/is it majority "unwilling."
- cutemonster 5y agoIt is majority unwilling. People there want real elections and independence (Although now too late)
- RC_ITR 5y agoYou are talking about their government structure not whether or not they were willing to return to China. Again the original point is that it was never an annexation, but even if it were, there was minimal protest and discontent in 1997.
- alisonatwork 5y agoThere are a few. Off the top of my head Tibet and Western Sahara come to mind. Perhaps some parts of now-Israel.
- RC_ITR 5y agoWestern Sahara has a population similar to Huntsville Alabama's metro region, so I guess you are right, but I hope you also see why that situation is very different from this one. As for Tibet, repeating an earlier comment: Tibet was under control of the Qing Dynasty (i.e. China) until its end in 1912. From 1912-1950, Tibet (due to its remoteness) acted as an de facto independent region, despite Western legal precedent stating it was still under the control of Beijing. When attempting to get de jure independence from China in 1951, China asserted control over the region. So sort of, but not really.
- vijayr02 5y agoAnnexation of Goa [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa edit: my bad, I missed the "unwilling nation" part of the parent content
- ls15 5y agoKuwait?
- slaw 5y agoTurkey conquered part of Cyprus in 1974 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
- RC_ITR 5y agoSimilar to an earlier comment I made, if Norther Cyprus had more than 350k people in it, the world would probably care more. So I agree you’re right, but I also hope you agree that Ukraine is very different.