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That is fine, but don't expect us to want to work with people who are not present and can only be contacted via mail/chat/video conferencing. Just as you expect
by mschuetz 5y ago
That is fine, but don't expect us to want to work with people who are not present and can only be contacted via mail/chat/video conferencing. Just as you expect others to respect your wish not to show up, you'll have to respect other peoples wish to work with people who do show up.
- whimsicalism 5y agoI am not sure there is a majority who agrees with your views. I want to go in maybe 2 days/week. But I certainly don't want to fire people working fully remote. Firing those people isn't merely "respecting" someone's wishes.
- mschuetz 5y agoI'm fine with people coming in maybe 3 instead of 5 days a week. I'm not fine working together with people who are not here at all. It's wildly inefficient and communication via video conferencing is horrible.
- jakupovic 5y agoNobody cares about individual preferences as in the end we vote with our feet. So you not wanting to work by yourself should have no bearing on what others in the same group do. Once you start mandating what others should do based on your needs, people will either not listen, leave or you will leave.
- mschuetz 5y agoTrue, I do vote with my feet. Which is why I won't apply for jobs with remote teams, and which is why I'm sticking with my current job.
- tsunamifury 5y agoSo wasting 1-2 hours a day being non productive is your bar for a valuable employee. I’d suggest your view comes from a bias towards red queen races being arbitrators of value rather than… you know… productivity. A few years ago the bar was wearing a suit to work every day with sock suspenders. Look up IBMs uniform dress code. Now we all accept that as antiquated, distracting waste.
- thebean11 5y agoComparing dress code to working in person is pretty ridiculous. Is your claim that there is literally zero value to seeing your coworkers in person? Also not everyone has a long and/or unproductive commute.
- malermeister 5y agoI'd go one further and say there is often negative value to seeing coworkers in person. Distractions and idle chit-chat that can't be turned off as easily as a Slack notification can decrease productivity.
- bravetraveler 5y agoI've actually timed it, any time I would go into the office almost half of the day would be filled with idle distractions and the like. Which wouldn't be so bad if, you know, I found the experience relaxing or had the slightest inclination to get to know these people [beyond how they can help solve a given problem]. Maybe I just see work differently from everyone... but we're here to do the thing and get paid. I'm not putting in anything more than what's required. [ edit: if Bob won't do $thing because we don't have enough social points, that's between him and our employer ] 'Team building' through things like these idle pleasantries and bombastic 'collaborative' seat-filling meetings are draining for people like me. Put it on my calendar, if I think I can help or have an interest - I'll stop by the call... I'm already on your side if we're trying to make things better. I really like to exercise my salary benefits of finishing my work and doing something else. Seeing the meatbags breaks asynchronous work
- thebean11 5y agoI believe you that that's your specific personal experience. I don't think it's universal.
- malermeister 5y agoI agree, which is why I've qualified it with "often".