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> Why do people have to ruin this for the rest of us. This is a bit un-self-aware isn't it? The other 50% of us could ask the exact same thing.

chrisseaton 5y ago
You can still go to an office if you want to. Get a co-working space. Just don't force anyone else to.
- mdoms 5y ago
  No one's "forcing" you to do anything. There are still fully remote jobs. Even GP said, > No, I don't want to go back to the office (I don't have to; my team is now fully remote forever)
- nemetroid 5y ago
  Suggesting a co-working space completely misses the point of wanting to work in-office (perceived improved team collaboration).
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    But that's the key thing - people don't just want to work in offices themselves - they also want to force other people to work in offices. People who want to work from home don't want to force anyone else to do anything - they just want to work at home themselves.
    - nemetroid 5y ago
      They want to force their teammates to work with fully-remote colleagues.
      - unsui 5y ago
        The reality for many is logging in to MS Teams or Zoom to have virtual meetings even within the office. That is what a significant number of my professional colleagues did even while at the office: many of them would just dial in from their offices, even when the meeting room was right down the hall. A significant portion of companies already accommodate hybrid work environments, whereby some meeting attendees are remote. This would be no different. There may be legitimate cases where physical proximity is a key advantage for a specific team, but the current WFH situation has demonstrated that those cases have likely been exaggerated, as people are demonstrably productive (in the case of my company, results in record profits) while completely remote.
      - grimjack00 5y ago
        So do the companies. When it's convenient for them, they have no problem splitting up a team over multiple timezones/countries/continents. If physical presence in a shared space was really that important, they wouldn't do that.
      - taylodl 5y ago
        I've been developing software for over 35 years now and I've never worked in a environment where the development team/engineering team isn't geographically dispersed - even across countries. That includes the startups I've worked for. You might have 1 or 2 people at your location working with you on the same team. In my experience a critical part of being able to do this job is to be able to work on a team comprised of members residing in different parts of the world. Doesn't really matter to me whether they're going to an office or staying at home.
- marcellus23 5y ago
  Being in any random office with random people is not the point.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    I disagree. One of the reasons why WFH during the pandemic has been so difficult is because it's often completely isolating. Being able to work in coworking spaces, or even in public spaces like cafes, libraries, and the like is attractive for those who want to be around human presence, but not coworkers who would break your flow state with random requests.

chrisseaton 5y ago

You can still go to an office if you want to. Get a co-working space. Just don't force anyone else to.

mdoms 5y ago
No one's "forcing" you to do anything. There are still fully remote jobs. Even GP said, > No, I don't want to go back to the office (I don't have to; my team is now fully remote forever)
nemetroid 5y ago
Suggesting a co-working space completely misses the point of wanting to work in-office (perceived improved team collaboration).
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  But that's the key thing - people don't just want to work in offices themselves - they also want to force other people to work in offices. People who want to work from home don't want to force anyone else to do anything - they just want to work at home themselves.
  - nemetroid 5y ago
    They want to force their teammates to work with fully-remote colleagues.
    - unsui 5y ago
      The reality for many is logging in to MS Teams or Zoom to have virtual meetings even within the office. That is what a significant number of my professional colleagues did even while at the office: many of them would just dial in from their offices, even when the meeting room was right down the hall. A significant portion of companies already accommodate hybrid work environments, whereby some meeting attendees are remote. This would be no different. There may be legitimate cases where physical proximity is a key advantage for a specific team, but the current WFH situation has demonstrated that those cases have likely been exaggerated, as people are demonstrably productive (in the case of my company, results in record profits) while completely remote.
    - grimjack00 5y ago
      So do the companies. When it's convenient for them, they have no problem splitting up a team over multiple timezones/countries/continents. If physical presence in a shared space was really that important, they wouldn't do that.
    - taylodl 5y ago
      I've been developing software for over 35 years now and I've never worked in a environment where the development team/engineering team isn't geographically dispersed - even across countries. That includes the startups I've worked for. You might have 1 or 2 people at your location working with you on the same team. In my experience a critical part of being able to do this job is to be able to work on a team comprised of members residing in different parts of the world. Doesn't really matter to me whether they're going to an office or staying at home.
marcellus23 5y ago
Being in any random office with random people is not the point.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  I disagree. One of the reasons why WFH during the pandemic has been so difficult is because it's often completely isolating. Being able to work in coworking spaces, or even in public spaces like cafes, libraries, and the like is attractive for those who want to be around human presence, but not coworkers who would break your flow state with random requests.