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No. My argument is that being a democracy doesn't make a nation good. Democracies can be just as barbaric, evil and genocidal as autocracies. I provided a simpl

by qiskit 5y ago

No. My argument is that being a democracy doesn't make a nation good. Democracies can be just as barbaric, evil and genocidal as autocracies. I provided a simple example - hiroshima and nagasaki. I think murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in seconds qualifies as evil. Don't you? If you think that only that democratically elected nazis ( people always forget that a democracy gave us nazi germany and that hitler actually won his election to gain power ) were evil in ww2, then you are missing at least half the story. Also, if you think only autocracies commit genocide, then you might want to explore the history of the genocide against the native americans, aborigines, africans etc by democracies.

oblio 5y ago
Like my other reply to your comment, this is <<not>> about absolutes. Democracies are generally more peaceful and produce lower casualties than autocracies. There's a reason people like them more when they can vote with their feet. > I think murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in seconds qualifies as evil. Don't you? I do, but do you know why they did it? Honest question, why did the UK nuke Japan?
- qiskit 5y ago
  > Like my other reply to your comment, this is <<not>> about absolutes. Agreed. But your replies to me seem to indicate absolutes. > Democracies are generally more peaceful and produce lower casualties than autocracies. Not sure what you mean by "generally" or "peace". Internally or externally? Because I'm betting autocratic countries are much more peaceful internally. If you mean externally, I've already shown you that democracies have shown themselves to be more violent/invasive. Just take a look at the US. In our short time, we've "grown" from 13 states to 50 states + many territories. And in the last 100 years, we've invaded more countries than any autocracy. We currently occupy more countries than any autocracy. Two democracies ( US and Russia ) have invaded Ukraine in the last 10 years. > There's a reason people like them more when they can vote with their feet. Is that why everyone is fleeing to india, the largest democracy in the world? Nobody comes to the US, Canada, Australia, etc for democracy. People come here for money/wealth. The countries with the highest proportion of immigrants in the world is saudi arabia, UAE, qatar, etc. None of them are "liberal democracies". > I do, but do you know why they did it? Honest question, why did the UK nuke Japan? Of course you do. And I do. But instead of stating the truth, you'll say because japan refused to surrender/etc. But that makes it even a more heinous war crime in my mind. The US was a racist nation in the 1940s. We did hiroshima/nagasaki for the same reason we sent jewish refugees back to europe in the 1940s, racial hatred. Your assertions are what we were all raised with. Most just blindly believe it. But if you were correct, then everyone would be immigrating to india for democracy and not saudi arabia, qatar, etc. North korea would be the most violent nation invading everyone. Instead it's the US, britain, france, etc.
  - oblio 5y ago
    > Two democracies ( US and Russia ) have invaded Ukraine in the last 10 years. 1. The US didn't invade Ukraine, or did I miss something? 2. Russia is not a democracy, did you even look at the article this whole discussion is based on? :-))) > Of course you do. And I do. But instead of stating the truth, you'll say because japan refused to surrender/etc. Well, not just refusing to surrender. Numbers. US planners estimated that the Japanese would defend their homeland and that the number of casualties would be over 1 million people.
    - qiskit 5y ago
      > 1. The US didn't invade Ukraine, or did I miss something? I thought we did. Remember there being a coup a while back. But I may be mistaken. > 2. Russia is not a democracy, did you even look at the article this whole discussion is based on? :-))) Just like Venezuela isn't a democracy. Just like Iran wasn't a democracy. Chile wasn't a democracy. Democracies that don't vote the "right" way are not democracies. > Numbers. US planners estimated that the Japanese would defend their homeland and that the number of casualties would be over 1 million people. I know. That and the billion purple hearts argument. All your assertions are standard propaganda we all grew up on. I used to believe it too. Now I know better as the evidence to the contrary is rather convincing. I gave you enough information for you to get started and explore incovenient truths. Good luck.
      - oblio 5y ago
        I'm not American. I wasn't brought up with American propaganda. The moment you declare Putin's Russia a democracy, any argument you make about this topic is invalid. There are inconvenient truths and there is realizing when something is just... wrong.

by qiskit 5y ago

oblio 5y ago

Like my other reply to your comment, this is <<not>> about absolutes. Democracies are generally more peaceful and produce lower casualties than autocracies. There's a reason people like them more when they can vote with their feet. > I think murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in seconds qualifies as evil. Don't you? I do, but do you know why they did it? Honest question, why did the UK nuke Japan?

qiskit 5y ago
> Like my other reply to your comment, this is <<not>> about absolutes. Agreed. But your replies to me seem to indicate absolutes. > Democracies are generally more peaceful and produce lower casualties than autocracies. Not sure what you mean by "generally" or "peace". Internally or externally? Because I'm betting autocratic countries are much more peaceful internally. If you mean externally, I've already shown you that democracies have shown themselves to be more violent/invasive. Just take a look at the US. In our short time, we've "grown" from 13 states to 50 states + many territories. And in the last 100 years, we've invaded more countries than any autocracy. We currently occupy more countries than any autocracy. Two democracies ( US and Russia ) have invaded Ukraine in the last 10 years. > There's a reason people like them more when they can vote with their feet. Is that why everyone is fleeing to india, the largest democracy in the world? Nobody comes to the US, Canada, Australia, etc for democracy. People come here for money/wealth. The countries with the highest proportion of immigrants in the world is saudi arabia, UAE, qatar, etc. None of them are "liberal democracies". > I do, but do you know why they did it? Honest question, why did the UK nuke Japan? Of course you do. And I do. But instead of stating the truth, you'll say because japan refused to surrender/etc. But that makes it even a more heinous war crime in my mind. The US was a racist nation in the 1940s. We did hiroshima/nagasaki for the same reason we sent jewish refugees back to europe in the 1940s, racial hatred. Your assertions are what we were all raised with. Most just blindly believe it. But if you were correct, then everyone would be immigrating to india for democracy and not saudi arabia, qatar, etc. North korea would be the most violent nation invading everyone. Instead it's the US, britain, france, etc.
- oblio 5y ago
  > Two democracies ( US and Russia ) have invaded Ukraine in the last 10 years. 1. The US didn't invade Ukraine, or did I miss something? 2. Russia is not a democracy, did you even look at the article this whole discussion is based on? :-))) > Of course you do. And I do. But instead of stating the truth, you'll say because japan refused to surrender/etc. Well, not just refusing to surrender. Numbers. US planners estimated that the Japanese would defend their homeland and that the number of casualties would be over 1 million people.
  - qiskit 5y ago
    > 1. The US didn't invade Ukraine, or did I miss something? I thought we did. Remember there being a coup a while back. But I may be mistaken. > 2. Russia is not a democracy, did you even look at the article this whole discussion is based on? :-))) Just like Venezuela isn't a democracy. Just like Iran wasn't a democracy. Chile wasn't a democracy. Democracies that don't vote the "right" way are not democracies. > Numbers. US planners estimated that the Japanese would defend their homeland and that the number of casualties would be over 1 million people. I know. That and the billion purple hearts argument. All your assertions are standard propaganda we all grew up on. I used to believe it too. Now I know better as the evidence to the contrary is rather convincing. I gave you enough information for you to get started and explore incovenient truths. Good luck.
    - oblio 5y ago
      I'm not American. I wasn't brought up with American propaganda. The moment you declare Putin's Russia a democracy, any argument you make about this topic is invalid. There are inconvenient truths and there is realizing when something is just... wrong.