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ASK HN: Can't Russia join NATO and we call it a day?
Just a thought :)
So Russia's fear is that Ukraine will join NATO and pull all western resources to start a war.
But if Russia joins NATO first the west will fight against Ukraine...
If both join NATO Russia won't have a nightmare and everyone will go home happy.
- manuelabeledo 5y agoNATO's existence was predicated on the existence of the USSR and the Warsaw pact. The follow up to these is obviously Russia.
- hourislate 5y ago
- nothrowaways 5y agoI see. Didn't know that
- 5bolts 5y agowhich is partly why trump adores him... Putin is living the life the donald wants
- Mikeb85 5y agoIt was the opposite. Putin asked but the west didn't make a roadmap for it. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-s...
- mytailorisrich 5y agoNATO is mostly an American instrument aligned with American interests. As such, it does not make sense for Russia to join nor does it make sense for the US to accept them in unless it means that Russia has essentially been subjugated by the US (nothing could be farther from the reality, of course).
- manuelabeledo 5y ago> NATO is mostly an American instrument aligned with American interests. NATO was originally formed to stop USSR expansion into Europe. Its predecessor was the Treaty of Brussels, of which the US was not a part of.
- RicoElectrico 5y agoPutin's regime, a descendant of USSR, views international politics as zero-sum game. You win, I lose. You lose, I win. The mere existence of alliances like NATO or EU in which every member benefits is unthinkable to them.
- pinephoneguy 5y agoRussia actually already tried this with as much success as one would expect. Also, this is definitely my favorite Ukraine thread right now. It's much happier than the other ones.
- Mikeb85 5y agohttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-s... He tried it 20 years ago but it didn't happen. Anyhow there was a thread yesterday based on a paper by an academic on how losing Ukraine is the West's fault (in a purely pragmatic sense, not as a moral judgment). Russia wanted closer ties to the West, then the Color Revolutions happened, then 2008, then 2014, and now we're here.
- pmdulaney 5y agoCan we just invite the fox into the hen house guild and be done with it?