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Putin warned the West that he wouldn't hesitate to conduct a nuclear strike if they try to meddle.

by sAbakumoff 5y ago

nickpp 5y ago
Source? He never said that.
- lijogdfljk 5y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAOSTiumsg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAOSTiumsg How can you ask for source but then confidently claim otherwise. Ugh. edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/t0di4z/to_scare_nato/ https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/t0di4z/t... is a crappy Reddit link, but also goes on to include the nuclear mention as well. How can you view this as anything but a nuclear warning?
  - nickpp 5y ago
    Watch those again. He never pronounced the word nuclear. It was just a (more or less empty) threat in the poker game he is playing to keep cowardly politicians from helping an independent nation being invaded. Looks like it worked. I wonder what else are people willing to give up at the mere hint of a nuclear threat: their houses? Their freedom? Their friends? Their spouses? Their children?
    - lijogdfljk 5y ago
      People are already giving up their freedom, friends, spouses and children. They're called Ukrainian. Also, he did say it, according to that _transcription_. I don't speak Russian, so i wouldn't know beyond that. Regardless don't play dumb, you and everyone else knew what he meant. Whether or not he'll follow through is the question - but what he meant was obvious. He knew what he was implying.
      - nickpp 5y ago
        Again, please point out the word nuclear in that transcript. It was an empty threat. And, sadly, the West fell for it and now the Ukrainians are paying the price.
        anon_123g987 5y ago
        Here you go: > As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful NUCLEAR states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.
        nickpp 5y ago
        Please reread the post I originally replied to: > Putin warned the West that he wouldn't hesitate to conduct a nuclear strike if they try to meddle. I maintain he never said that and that interpreting the word nuclear which indeed appears at the beginning of the speech (I stand corrected) in the context of the retaliation threat at the end - is quite a stretch.
        in_cahoots 5y ago
        The retaliation threat is right there in the same paragraph as mentioning their nuclear capabilities, I’m not sure how you can rationally argue otherwise.
        lijogdfljk 5y ago
        I'm sorry, but it's in there. > Russia is one of the most powerful nuclear powers in the world If you're using a different transcript then i'm not commenting on that. I was literally just pointing to what i posted, which may not be accurate - as i said multiple times. Not sure why i had to type out what is clearly readable in what i posted, but /shrug
        5y ago
  - brabel 5y ago
    Just post the transcript of the full speech, it was not hard to find it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-transcript-vladimir-putin-s-televised-address-to-russia-on-ukraine-feb-24 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-tran... Here's the relevant part (interpret this as you will): "I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard."
    - nickpp 5y ago
      Please highlight the word nuclear in that transcript.
      - brabel 5y ago
        There isn't one. I am not the person who was claiming there was, if that's what you're implying. Some people think that his words imply nuclear, but as it's not directly mentioned, that's just one interpretation. If you ask me, I think that means just some secret weapon pointed directly at whoever Putin believes may interfere... but no one really knows.
        anon_123g987 5y ago
        You quoted the "wrong" part of the speech. Here it is, I highlighted for you: > As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful NUCLEAR states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
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aaronchall 5y ago
Mutually assured destruction means that his entire ass is destroyed - there's a lot more of NATO than there is of him.
- nickpp 5y ago
  Exactly. That is why he never actually threatened with a nuclear strike, just some vague "retaliation". But that was sadly enough for cowardly politicians to abandon Ukraine all over again…

Putin warned the West that he wouldn't hesitate to conduct a nuclear strike if they try to meddle.

nickpp 5y ago

Source? He never said that.

lijogdfljk 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAOSTiumsg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAOSTiumsg How can you ask for source but then confidently claim otherwise. Ugh. edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/t0di4z/to_scare_nato/ https://old.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/t0di4z/t... is a crappy Reddit link, but also goes on to include the nuclear mention as well. How can you view this as anything but a nuclear warning?
- nickpp 5y ago
  Watch those again. He never pronounced the word nuclear. It was just a (more or less empty) threat in the poker game he is playing to keep cowardly politicians from helping an independent nation being invaded. Looks like it worked. I wonder what else are people willing to give up at the mere hint of a nuclear threat: their houses? Their freedom? Their friends? Their spouses? Their children?
  - lijogdfljk 5y ago
    People are already giving up their freedom, friends, spouses and children. They're called Ukrainian. Also, he did say it, according to that _transcription_. I don't speak Russian, so i wouldn't know beyond that. Regardless don't play dumb, you and everyone else knew what he meant. Whether or not he'll follow through is the question - but what he meant was obvious. He knew what he was implying.
    - nickpp 5y ago
      Again, please point out the word nuclear in that transcript. It was an empty threat. And, sadly, the West fell for it and now the Ukrainians are paying the price.
      - anon_123g987 5y ago
        Here you go: > As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful NUCLEAR states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.
        nickpp 5y ago
        Please reread the post I originally replied to: > Putin warned the West that he wouldn't hesitate to conduct a nuclear strike if they try to meddle. I maintain he never said that and that interpreting the word nuclear which indeed appears at the beginning of the speech (I stand corrected) in the context of the retaliation threat at the end - is quite a stretch.
        in_cahoots 5y ago
        The retaliation threat is right there in the same paragraph as mentioning their nuclear capabilities, I’m not sure how you can rationally argue otherwise.
      - lijogdfljk 5y ago
        I'm sorry, but it's in there. > Russia is one of the most powerful nuclear powers in the world If you're using a different transcript then i'm not commenting on that. I was literally just pointing to what i posted, which may not be accurate - as i said multiple times. Not sure why i had to type out what is clearly readable in what i posted, but /shrug
      - 5y ago
- brabel 5y ago
  Just post the transcript of the full speech, it was not hard to find it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-transcript-vladimir-putin-s-televised-address-to-russia-on-ukraine-feb-24 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-tran... Here's the relevant part (interpret this as you will): "I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard."
  - nickpp 5y ago
    Please highlight the word nuclear in that transcript.
    - brabel 5y ago
      There isn't one. I am not the person who was claiming there was, if that's what you're implying. Some people think that his words imply nuclear, but as it's not directly mentioned, that's just one interpretation. If you ask me, I think that means just some secret weapon pointed directly at whoever Putin believes may interfere... but no one really knows.
      - anon_123g987 5y ago
        You quoted the "wrong" part of the speech. Here it is, I highlighted for you: > As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful NUCLEAR states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
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aaronchall 5y ago

Mutually assured destruction means that his entire ass is destroyed - there's a lot more of NATO than there is of him.

nickpp 5y ago
Exactly. That is why he never actually threatened with a nuclear strike, just some vague "retaliation". But that was sadly enough for cowardly politicians to abandon Ukraine all over again…