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It’s worth noting that Chinese incursions into Taiwan’s ADIZ are a routine occurrence and don’t really represent any increase in aggression above the baseline:

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• ceejayoz 5y ago
  In part, because Taiwan's ADIZ extends over mainland China. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JADIZ_and_CADIZ_and_KADIZ_in_East_China_Sea.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JADIZ_and_CADIZ_and_... (ADIZs are also unilateral and not something set up in international law; they're basically a request)
  • WillPostForFood 5y ago
    I agree these stories should not be overblown, and have been a regular occurrence. It isn’t a worrisome escalation. But it is incorrect to say they are happening because the ADIZ extends over Chinese territory. The repeated incursions are out over the ocean, most commonly over the SW corner of the ADIZ which is not over mainland China. China is doing it intentionally, and is both testing and prodding Taiwan.
    • ceejayoz 5y ago
      To be clear, though, under international law China has every right to fly in those areas. Just like when we fly/sail 12 miles off Russia, or send ships past the islands China's making in the South China Sea. When we do it, it's a "freedom of navigation" exercise. Yes, it's testing air defenses, but it frustrates me when officials breathlessly act like it's a big deal.
      • eloff 5y ago
        With military aircraft? I don't think that's covered by international law, it doesn't sound right. Any country would object.
        • ceejayoz 5y ago
          Yes, with military aircraft. ADIZs have no (international) legal standing; international law says countries control airspace only over their territory, which means the same 12 mile limit ships are subject to. Other countries have every right to fly or sail up to that 12 mile limit. Again, Taiwan's ADIZ extends over China. When we fly close to Russia, they send fighters up to escort. We do the same when they fly planes near Alaska. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/russian-fighter-jets-escorted-us-air-force-bombers/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/russian-fighter-jets... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-fighter-jets-intercept-russian-reconnaisance-plans-near-alaska/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-fighter-jets-intercept-ru... > The Russian aircraft were in the ADIZ north of Alaska for about 4 hours, according to North American Aerospace Defense Command, which said the planes came as close as 50 nautical miles to the Alaskan coast but did not enter U.S. or Canadian airspace. The ADIZ extends 200 miles from the U.S. and Canadian coasts, but territorial airspace only extends 12 miles from the coast. In fact, the US explicitly says "nuh uh!" to other countries' ADIZs... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(North_America) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zon... > Moreover, the U.S. Navy's Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations states the ADIZ applies only to commercial aircraft intending to enter U.S. sovereign airspace, with a basis in international law of "the right of a nation to establish reasonable conditions of entry into its territory". The manual specifically instructs U.S. military aircraft to ignore the ADIZ of other states when operating in coastal areas... Here's a US RC-135 surveillance aircraft violating the Chinese ADIZ to get about 20 miles from the mainland. https://twitter.com/SCS_PI/status/1373886128177041410 https://twitter.com/SCS_PI/status/1373886128177041410
        • dirtyid 5y ago
          International law view Taiwan as province of China. Nevermind the ADIZ / clipping median line drama, PRC can "legally" fly over Taiwan airspace if it wanted to. And vice versa. See ROC Black Cat squadron flying U2s over mainland in the 60s. It would be destabilizing, but legal. Either side can choose to resume Chinese civil war if they wanted to.
    • slowmovintarget 5y ago
      China is testing and prodding the US, and you'd better believe they're paying full attention to the (lack of) response to the Ukraine situation.