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I'm more concerned about the probable loss of wheat supplies to the near east, especially Turkey and Egypt. But of course,they could just eat Revani or Basbousa

I'm more concerned about the probable loss of wheat supplies to the near east, especially Turkey and Egypt. But of course,they could just eat Revani or Basbousa instead.

londons_explore 5y ago
Wheat is pretty easy to ship, and globally is usually 'overproduced' due to farm subsidies. People won't be going hungry just because one countries production stopped.
- outworlder 5y ago
  Two.
- Borrible 5y ago
  Yes, but who will have the money to buy your 'overproduction', for what will he buy it and how will it be 'pretty easily' shipped? https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/20/food-price-spikes-and-social-unrest-the-dark-side-of-the-feds-crisis-fighting/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/20/food-price-spikes-and-s... https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/12/bread-prices-ring-alarm-bells-turkey https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/12/bread-prices-ri... https://www.skuld.com/topics/cargo/solid-bulk/agricultural-cargoes/transportation-of-wheat/ https://www.skuld.com/topics/cargo/solid-bulk/agricultural-c... Filter the chart to 'All' to have a wider scope. On it and things as a whole: https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/w00 https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/w00 In the olden times some considered it a good measure to secure food production by subsidies. You know, hungry people get restless. If that is your intent or you don't have to face the consequences, it's fine. But for the most part to keep the masses fed is a basic measure. Of course with time, things get complicated for governments: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-03/egypt-s-president-says-bread-prices-should-be-reviewed-krvw702x https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-03/egypt-s-p... But you always have to consider the angry rabble will string you up at the next streetlight.In the aforementioned parts of the world gladly with an 'Allāhu akbar' on the lips. Admitted, in many parts of the world they, the masses that is, are quite overfed by now and appropriate measures should be taken. But that can change quite fast.
  - eru 5y ago
    Eh, if food really gets scarce, we can just eat less meat. Ie switch to more efficient means of producing food fairly quickly. People like eating meat, so there will be protests etc, but it's not threatening famine. > In the olden times some considered it a good measure to secure food production by subsidies. You know, hungry people get restless. If that is your intent or you don't have to face the consequences, it's fine. But for the most part to keep the masses fed is a basic measure. Which 'olden times' are you talking about? When and where? Direct subsidies for growing food are probably one of the least efficient ways for that goal. Just imagine what would happen without the subsidies: the agricultural land in question wouldn't just leave the country. Mostly people just grow different things with and without subsidies.
    - Borrible 5y ago
      A reply without any inclination of doing basic stuff like googling 'History of Agricultural subsidy' or at least skimming the links in my last post. Sweet, a downvote trap. Well go ahead.

I'm more concerned about the probable loss of wheat supplies to the near east, especially Turkey and Egypt. But of course,they could just eat Revani or Basbousa instead.

londons_explore 5y ago

Wheat is pretty easy to ship, and globally is usually 'overproduced' due to farm subsidies. People won't be going hungry just because one countries production stopped.

outworlder 5y ago
Two.
Borrible 5y ago
Yes, but who will have the money to buy your 'overproduction', for what will he buy it and how will it be 'pretty easily' shipped? https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/20/food-price-spikes-and-social-unrest-the-dark-side-of-the-feds-crisis-fighting/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/20/food-price-spikes-and-s... https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/12/bread-prices-ring-alarm-bells-turkey https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/12/bread-prices-ri... https://www.skuld.com/topics/cargo/solid-bulk/agricultural-cargoes/transportation-of-wheat/ https://www.skuld.com/topics/cargo/solid-bulk/agricultural-c... Filter the chart to 'All' to have a wider scope. On it and things as a whole: https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/w00 https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/w00 In the olden times some considered it a good measure to secure food production by subsidies. You know, hungry people get restless. If that is your intent or you don't have to face the consequences, it's fine. But for the most part to keep the masses fed is a basic measure. Of course with time, things get complicated for governments: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-03/egypt-s-president-says-bread-prices-should-be-reviewed-krvw702x https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-03/egypt-s-p... But you always have to consider the angry rabble will string you up at the next streetlight.In the aforementioned parts of the world gladly with an 'Allāhu akbar' on the lips. Admitted, in many parts of the world they, the masses that is, are quite overfed by now and appropriate measures should be taken. But that can change quite fast.
- eru 5y ago
  Eh, if food really gets scarce, we can just eat less meat. Ie switch to more efficient means of producing food fairly quickly. People like eating meat, so there will be protests etc, but it's not threatening famine. > In the olden times some considered it a good measure to secure food production by subsidies. You know, hungry people get restless. If that is your intent or you don't have to face the consequences, it's fine. But for the most part to keep the masses fed is a basic measure. Which 'olden times' are you talking about? When and where? Direct subsidies for growing food are probably one of the least efficient ways for that goal. Just imagine what would happen without the subsidies: the agricultural land in question wouldn't just leave the country. Mostly people just grow different things with and without subsidies.
  - Borrible 5y ago
    A reply without any inclination of doing basic stuff like googling 'History of Agricultural subsidy' or at least skimming the links in my last post. Sweet, a downvote trap. Well go ahead.