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> Biden played it as well as he could Biden played it like shit. If they had never warned of war maybe Putin could have saved face. Instead Biden antogonized

> Biden played it as well as he could Biden played it like shit. If they had never warned of war maybe Putin could have saved face. Instead Biden antogonized Russia, pledged support to Ukraine but didn't actually do anything. They sold out Ukraine. They wanted Ukrainians to do what, fight and die? What good was US intelligence? The US isn't doing shit...

darkarmani 5y ago
> Instead Biden antogonized Russia How exactly did he antagonize Russia? > The US isn't doing shit... What do you want the US to be doing? Are these actions feasible?
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > What do you want the US to be doing? Are these actions feasible? Nothing because it's too late. But had the west given some concrete promises to Ukraine, I don't know at any time in the last few years, do you really think Russia would have invaded? > How exactly did he antagonize Russia? Really? He kept threatening sanctions, kept saying the invasion was happening... Even Zelenskiy told Biden to stop... Edit - now Biden is gloating about being right, talking about sanctions but not helping Ukraine Edit2 - Biden's press conference is so bad SMH... Hahaha Biden just said the sanctions will be just as bad as Russian missiles are to Ukraine. Clown world...
  - evan_ 5y ago
    > Nothing because it's too late. But had the west given some concrete promises to Ukraine, I don't know at any time in the last few years, do you really think Russia would have invaded? What specifically do you mean by "concrete promises"? The US has been sending military aid to Ukraine for years. Trump tried to withhold it but was eventually forced to send it anyway, it was a pretty big story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal#Withholding_of_Ukrainian_military_aid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal#...
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      > What specifically do you mean by "concrete promises"? Actually admitting it to the EU or NATO. Actually pledging to defend it.
      - stone-monkey 5y ago
        Why would the US be in charge of admitting Ukraine to the European Union...
  - darkarmani 5y ago
    > Really? He kept threatening sanctions, kept saying the invasion was happening... I'm confused by how this is antagonizing Russia. By saying what Russia was actually doing is the reason they kept doing it?
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      Threats = antagonizing. If he knew the invasion was coming, he should have DONE something. So he made a bunch of threats then publicly said he won't do anything... Do you think this helped the situation? Even Zelenskiy told him to STFU. They could have stationed troops in Ukraine. Or they could have taken NATO membership off the table. Or done any number of things but they literally did nothing except threaten sanctions. Then Biden went on TV to gloat about being 'right' after giving up Ukraine... SMH
evan_ 5y ago
saving face would've been withdrawing and saying "What's this dude talking about, dude's nuts, that was just routine training exercises, there's no war in Ba Sing Se." Instead he did exactly the thing Biden said he was going to do.
waffle_maniac 5y ago
Putin is trying to conquer a country because someone gave the heads up on his alleged plans and his feelings are hurt? People do not give Putin the credit he deserves and thus Putin plays them.

darkarmani 5y ago

> Instead Biden antogonized Russia How exactly did he antagonize Russia? > The US isn't doing shit... What do you want the US to be doing? Are these actions feasible?

Mikeb85 5y ago
> What do you want the US to be doing? Are these actions feasible? Nothing because it's too late. But had the west given some concrete promises to Ukraine, I don't know at any time in the last few years, do you really think Russia would have invaded? > How exactly did he antagonize Russia? Really? He kept threatening sanctions, kept saying the invasion was happening... Even Zelenskiy told Biden to stop... Edit - now Biden is gloating about being right, talking about sanctions but not helping Ukraine Edit2 - Biden's press conference is so bad SMH... Hahaha Biden just said the sanctions will be just as bad as Russian missiles are to Ukraine. Clown world...
- evan_ 5y ago
  > Nothing because it's too late. But had the west given some concrete promises to Ukraine, I don't know at any time in the last few years, do you really think Russia would have invaded? What specifically do you mean by "concrete promises"? The US has been sending military aid to Ukraine for years. Trump tried to withhold it but was eventually forced to send it anyway, it was a pretty big story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal#Withholding_of_Ukrainian_military_aid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal#...
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    > What specifically do you mean by "concrete promises"? Actually admitting it to the EU or NATO. Actually pledging to defend it.
    - stone-monkey 5y ago
      Why would the US be in charge of admitting Ukraine to the European Union...
- darkarmani 5y ago
  > Really? He kept threatening sanctions, kept saying the invasion was happening... I'm confused by how this is antagonizing Russia. By saying what Russia was actually doing is the reason they kept doing it?
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    Threats = antagonizing. If he knew the invasion was coming, he should have DONE something. So he made a bunch of threats then publicly said he won't do anything... Do you think this helped the situation? Even Zelenskiy told him to STFU. They could have stationed troops in Ukraine. Or they could have taken NATO membership off the table. Or done any number of things but they literally did nothing except threaten sanctions. Then Biden went on TV to gloat about being 'right' after giving up Ukraine... SMH

evan_ 5y ago

saving face would've been withdrawing and saying "What's this dude talking about, dude's nuts, that was just routine training exercises, there's no war in Ba Sing Se." Instead he did exactly the thing Biden said he was going to do.

waffle_maniac 5y ago

Putin is trying to conquer a country because someone gave the heads up on his alleged plans and his feelings are hurt? People do not give Putin the credit he deserves and thus Putin plays them.