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I'm not from the Ukraine but there has been news of something like this on a regular basis since 2014. It's kind of like South Korea/North Korea. On a near week
by AlwaysRock 5y ago
I'm not from the Ukraine but there has been news of something like this on a regular basis since 2014. It's kind of like South Korea/North Korea. On a near weekly basis there is big news about something bad potentially happening.
It's hard to know what is serious and what isnt.
- azinman2 5y agoExcept Putin has been negotiating with all the other western leaders to avoid this for the past couple weeks, and each one basically failed. Doesn’t that seem different?
- waffle_maniac 5y agoHow is demanding the end of NATO via an outside party having veto control over membership "negotiating"? It's very obvious that his demands are impossible. Putin is really a master at playing people. It's kind of shocking people are _still_ falling for it.
- pc86 5y agoIf Putin actually wanted to avoid invading a sovereign nation in violation of international law, all he had to do was... not invade a sovereign nation.
- temp8964 5y agoHe was forced to invade Ukraine because he didn’t get what he wanted. /s
- dragonwriter 5y agoAnd what he wanted was NATO backing off so that he was more free to invade neighbors, not just Ukraine.
- hidudeurcool 5y ago
- fsloth 5y agoNo. Putin pretended to negotiate while the attack plan moved on. All of those negotiations were a strategy for confusion, not solution. Putin never intended anything else than an attack.
- baq 5y agoexactly right. fx levels, bond sales, gold stockpiling, this was planned for years in advance, in anticipation of financial sanctions. he has a very, very assymetric risk/reward in this war.
- squarefoot 5y agoAlso it appears the metadata of the video of his speech just before the attack indicates it was actually shot 3 days earlier, which illustrates even further that any resemblance of negotiations were just smoke and mirrors.
- pasabagi 5y agoOr... you pre-record both 'attack' and 'no-attack' speeches ahead of time, because you know the actual moment will be very stressful and you won't have time. 'Negotiations as misdirection' makes literally no sense. Who would he be misdirecting? Nobody is coming to Ukraine's aid.
- tomrod 5y agoHe clearly misdirected Ukrainians.
- woodruffw 5y ago> 'Negotiations as misdirection' makes literally no sense. Who would he be misdirecting? Nobody is coming to Ukraine's aid. The US waited until the actual invasion began to impose serious sanctions. Misdirecting for a few days could easily have bought Putin enough time to make arrangements for both his personal and national finances. That's idle speculation on my part, but it doesn't seem terribly unlikely.
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- jacquesm 5y agoThose weren't negotiations, they were misdirection.
- azinman2 5y agoThis isn't my point. My point is the GP said this has been forecasted for many years now so people stopped paying attention. However, these talks with other nations ARE new and were highly stressed as important to avoid war. That hasn't been the case for years now.
- jacquesm 5y agoIt was forecast for many years, the question many have is why it took as long as it did, I'm still not sure about that. I think it was maybe because Putin was counting on Trump winning re-election that he thought he had plenty of time. As for the talks: They were instrumental in getting away with the attacks, Putin played that for all it was worth, taking a leaf right out of Hitlers playbook.
- boredumb 5y ago"I think it was maybe because Putin was counting on Trump winning re-election" This is the sort of rhetoric that is why no one believes the media, too much fear of sounding unhinged and delusional.
- jacquesm 5y agoI don't see what is unhinged about it: it was a pretty closely contested election and it could have easily happened. Which would give Putin a chance to do this without any fear of interference. Brexit certainly helped him as well.
- tomp 5y agoSo you're still pushing the crazy conspiracy theory that Trump was Putin's puppet? The more likely explanation is, IMO, that Trump was just unhinged enough to actually do something, unlike the mellow Biden, who'll obviously just sit and wait (or, well, sleep).
- Broken_Hippo 5y agoA disingenuous negotiation isn't actually a negotiation. Pretending it is to prove someone else wrong seems strange.
- sonicggg 5y agoThere has been thousands of troops surrounding Ukraine since 2014? Has US intelligence been warning of an invasion since that year as well?
- toyg 5y agoThe belief that Russian mercenaries in the Donbass would be eventually relieved by conventional forces has been around since then, yes. Many were surprised by the fact that it was not happening, year after year. At some point the consensus in policy circles was that Putin must had decided to keep the area as a wild-west buffer. The recent deployment near the border wasn't the first, although it was definitely an order of magnitude bigger - there were, in fact, questions on whether the exaggerated scale was so brazen and disproportionate (and unbalanced - their Asian border is now pretty weak...) that it couldn't be anything more than posturing.
- Regular-Former 5y agoThey did military drills on the border every year: https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+military+drill+ukraine+border&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2015%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F2020&tbm= https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+military+drill+ukrai...
- AlwaysRock 5y agoI said big news. Not exactly the same news. One gets numb to it after a while.