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> Birthing people Every mother I know finds this phrasing deeply offensive. I wish people would stop using it. It’s like latinx, which as far as I can tell is
by User23 5y ago
> Birthing people
Every mother I know finds this phrasing deeply offensive. I wish people would stop using it.
It’s like latinx, which as far as I can tell is used virtually exclusively by non-latin persons. And look at that there already is a gender neutral English word: latin!
It’s to the point that I suspect there is some kind of psychological reason for choosing these clumsy and inaccurate phrases. Another good example is “social distancing” which literally denotes the same thing as shunning, but is used to mean maintaining physical distance.
- beaconstudios 5y agoIt's meant to be inclusive to trans men, given they're still capable of becoming pregnant and giving birth. Offense over these new terms is often just a proxy for offense at the political changes they signify. Nobody's denying that women who give birth are still mothers. Edit: also, in my experience going through antenatal classes at the moment, they often use "women and birthing people" which seems like a good middle ground.
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- CincinnatiMan 5y agoThis is something that mildly confuses me, in that if someone is of female sex but male gender, what that means is that they typically identify/display themselves with male stereotypes. But, the male stereotype doesn’t include pregnancy, so is that uncomfortable for someone of male gender to be going through something that is considered feminine?
- beaconstudios 5y agoThat's a good question; I have no idea. Presumably it would cause some dissonance for the reasons you stated.
- CincinnatiMan 5y agoMy wife and her friends are progressive in many ways and vote as such, but they too do not like this term. I think it has to do with feeling pushed aside from an innately important, defining thing she could call her own as a woman, when she has felt left out of so many other things throughout her life as a woman. TBH I'm not 100% sure if that's the reasoning though.
- nineplay 5y agoCrotchety Alert I am progressive and I'm getting weary of the degree to which we've pushed inclusive language. Can we just acknowledge, at some point, that there are some, minimal, practical distinctions between XX and XY chromosome'd people? I thought we'd be fairly safe in considering birth and breastfeeding something specific to one sex, but no - even there we have to watch our language.
- 908B64B197 5y agoLatin would include a lot more people not traditionally considered Latino. French and Italian people for instance. Not that it matters.