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Could you explain a bit about what lead to the emotional harm? I'm not sure if it was the threatening email or not -- if the email had been as non-threatening a

Could you explain a bit about what lead to the emotional harm? I'm not sure if it was the threatening email or not -- if the email had been as non-threatening as possible, yet a mandate was still put in place, would you have felt the same or not? (And what exactly was in the email?)

VancouverMan 5y ago
Any unwanted medical procedure, regardless of what exactly that procedure entails, is a form of bodily molestation and bodily violation. We should expect somebody being coerced by an authority figure to undergo an unwanted medical procedure, especially when that individual's livelihood is being threatened, to find it to be an emotionally traumatic experience, regardless of how severe the coercion is. The situation can easily be made worse when the procedure may have unknown harmful side effects, and when it comes out of the blue.
s1artibartfast 5y ago
I can only speak for myself, but it certainly impacted my relationship with my employer. Aside from it feeling intrusive into my personal health choices, It seemed to be an extreme ultimatum that reframed the power dynamic and how they valued me as an employee. An apt analogy would be if your husband/wife threatens divorce because you left socks on the floor. Even if you don't mind picking them up, or were planning to already, it is shocking and damaging that they would go straight to the nuclear option. Flip-flopping on the issue almost makes it worse. If you were willing to fire/divorce me yesterday, and don't care about the issue today, how much do you really value me and our ongoing partnership.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  > If you were willing to fire/divorce me yesterday, and don't care about the issue today, how much do you really value me and our ongoing partnership they never cared. You can like your job, you can love it. You can feel valued and like you contribute but its just a job, and they will drop you faster than you'll drop them.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Yeah, I totally get that. Everyone is replaceable. It is just a new information that my job is much less secure and valued than I thought. Despite the truth of this, surely you can understand that it can be detrimental to morale. I always knew that I can wake up any day and be out of a job, but normally feel that this is very unlikely. This type of corporate Behavior makes me feel like it is more likely then I thought
  - pinephoneguy 5y ago
    Yup. It shattered the illusion I had built up that our relationship was worth anything.

VancouverMan 5y ago

Any unwanted medical procedure, regardless of what exactly that procedure entails, is a form of bodily molestation and bodily violation. We should expect somebody being coerced by an authority figure to undergo an unwanted medical procedure, especially when that individual's livelihood is being threatened, to find it to be an emotionally traumatic experience, regardless of how severe the coercion is. The situation can easily be made worse when the procedure may have unknown harmful side effects, and when it comes out of the blue.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

I can only speak for myself, but it certainly impacted my relationship with my employer. Aside from it feeling intrusive into my personal health choices, It seemed to be an extreme ultimatum that reframed the power dynamic and how they valued me as an employee. An apt analogy would be if your husband/wife threatens divorce because you left socks on the floor. Even if you don't mind picking them up, or were planning to already, it is shocking and damaging that they would go straight to the nuclear option. Flip-flopping on the issue almost makes it worse. If you were willing to fire/divorce me yesterday, and don't care about the issue today, how much do you really value me and our ongoing partnership.

vineyardmike 5y ago
> If you were willing to fire/divorce me yesterday, and don't care about the issue today, how much do you really value me and our ongoing partnership they never cared. You can like your job, you can love it. You can feel valued and like you contribute but its just a job, and they will drop you faster than you'll drop them.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Yeah, I totally get that. Everyone is replaceable. It is just a new information that my job is much less secure and valued than I thought. Despite the truth of this, surely you can understand that it can be detrimental to morale. I always knew that I can wake up any day and be out of a job, but normally feel that this is very unlikely. This type of corporate Behavior makes me feel like it is more likely then I thought
- pinephoneguy 5y ago
  Yup. It shattered the illusion I had built up that our relationship was worth anything.