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At the company I work at, the HR EVP said on an internal videocast, 'if $CEO makes the decision for you to be vaccinated, then you'll have to be vaccinated' w

At the company I work at, the HR EVP said on an internal videocast, 'if $CEO makes the decision for you to be vaccinated, then you'll have to be vaccinated' which really came across as imperious. Why should the CEO be making medical decisions for 1000s of employees?

toomuchtodo 5y ago
> Why should the CEO be making medical decisions for 1000s of employees? I would not choose to work with selfish colleagues, who don't know or care about their medical decisions causing harm to others (or the burden they potentially place on the medical system; the data is clear vaccinations reduce the severity of a COVID infection from ICU worth to something more benign). It's company culture (with regards to company leadership mandating vaccination). Citigroup employs over 200k workers, and lost less than 2k who refused vaccination [1]. The only employers this would impact would be smaller employers who predominately employ those against vaccination. TLDR Why would I not want to work for a CEO who cares about public health, as well as the welfare of others and myself by mandating a proven safe vaccine? This is what leadership looks like. [1] https://nypost.com/2022/01/14/citigroup-hits-99-percent-compliance-with-covid-vaccine-mandate/ https://nypost.com/2022/01/14/citigroup-hits-99-percent-comp...
- twox2 5y ago
  I'm glad the mandates are being lifted. They no longer serve purpose. Maybe they did for a brief moment, but now there's little benefit to the greater good by imposing vaccines that don't do much to curb the spread.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Personally, this pandemic strongly illuminated why the United States is on its path to a failed social fabric, the likelihood of turning the ship around (low), and personally, that a large proportion of my fellow citizens/residents are not "my people" (the collective "us" versus "me, me, me"); it solidified my plans to expatriate somewhere with stronger social fabric and support of a shared common/greater good. More power to those who stick around while Rome burns.
    - peteradio 5y ago
      Where do you plan on moving?
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        Western Europe. Temperate climate, national healthcare, stable government, walkable communities by default with affordable housing, quality intentional infrastructure, far less violent crime, a better future for my kids.
- anamax 5y ago
  The CDC's numbers show that Covid-19 has is less dangerous than several other diseases for many age groups. You've been demanding vaccination etc for those diseases as well, right?
- shrubble 5y ago
  Why would a mandate depend on employment? Shouldn't a public health issue be dealt with by public health measures? The reality, as we have now seen, is that vaccine mandates of an experimental approval drug are unlawful at the federal level. Thus attempts to have companies do it in a patchwork fashion were an attempt to end-run the issue (yes my employer does a huge amount of government related business).
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > Shouldn't a public health issue be dealt with by public health measures? Except thats being attacked too. Sometimes private "market forces" are easier than government. > vaccine mandates of an experimental approval drug Not experiemental. > unlawful at the federal level. Unlawful for a federal employer to require, not unlawful.
    - shrubble 5y ago
      You're quoting my middle paragraph inappropriately and thus ascribing a meaning I never wrote, to it.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  >Why would I not want to work for a CEO who cares about public health, as well as the welfare of others and myself by mandating a proven safe vaccine? This is what leadership looks like. It simply boils to if you think the ends justify the means. Does having the power to compel someone mean that you should compel them. I get that people have different opinions on what is the appropriate use of power and influence over others. I tend to favor leaders who try to inform, enable, and change people's minds rather than use punishments to make people do something they otherwise wouldn't. That is to say, I like being offered the carrot opposed to the stick.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

> Why should the CEO be making medical decisions for 1000s of employees? I would not choose to work with selfish colleagues, who don't know or care about their medical decisions causing harm to others (or the burden they potentially place on the medical system; the data is clear vaccinations reduce the severity of a COVID infection from ICU worth to something more benign). It's company culture (with regards to company leadership mandating vaccination). Citigroup employs over 200k workers, and lost less than 2k who refused vaccination [1]. The only employers this would impact would be smaller employers who predominately employ those against vaccination. TLDR Why would I not want to work for a CEO who cares about public health, as well as the welfare of others and myself by mandating a proven safe vaccine? This is what leadership looks like. [1] https://nypost.com/2022/01/14/citigroup-hits-99-percent-compliance-with-covid-vaccine-mandate/ https://nypost.com/2022/01/14/citigroup-hits-99-percent-comp...

twox2 5y ago
I'm glad the mandates are being lifted. They no longer serve purpose. Maybe they did for a brief moment, but now there's little benefit to the greater good by imposing vaccines that don't do much to curb the spread.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Personally, this pandemic strongly illuminated why the United States is on its path to a failed social fabric, the likelihood of turning the ship around (low), and personally, that a large proportion of my fellow citizens/residents are not "my people" (the collective "us" versus "me, me, me"); it solidified my plans to expatriate somewhere with stronger social fabric and support of a shared common/greater good. More power to those who stick around while Rome burns.
  - peteradio 5y ago
    Where do you plan on moving?
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      Western Europe. Temperate climate, national healthcare, stable government, walkable communities by default with affordable housing, quality intentional infrastructure, far less violent crime, a better future for my kids.
anamax 5y ago
The CDC's numbers show that Covid-19 has is less dangerous than several other diseases for many age groups. You've been demanding vaccination etc for those diseases as well, right?
shrubble 5y ago
Why would a mandate depend on employment? Shouldn't a public health issue be dealt with by public health measures? The reality, as we have now seen, is that vaccine mandates of an experimental approval drug are unlawful at the federal level. Thus attempts to have companies do it in a patchwork fashion were an attempt to end-run the issue (yes my employer does a huge amount of government related business).
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  > Shouldn't a public health issue be dealt with by public health measures? Except thats being attacked too. Sometimes private "market forces" are easier than government. > vaccine mandates of an experimental approval drug Not experiemental. > unlawful at the federal level. Unlawful for a federal employer to require, not unlawful.
  - shrubble 5y ago
    You're quoting my middle paragraph inappropriately and thus ascribing a meaning I never wrote, to it.
s1artibartfast 5y ago
>Why would I not want to work for a CEO who cares about public health, as well as the welfare of others and myself by mandating a proven safe vaccine? This is what leadership looks like. It simply boils to if you think the ends justify the means. Does having the power to compel someone mean that you should compel them. I get that people have different opinions on what is the appropriate use of power and influence over others. I tend to favor leaders who try to inform, enable, and change people's minds rather than use punishments to make people do something they otherwise wouldn't. That is to say, I like being offered the carrot opposed to the stick.