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I wish my employer _had_ instituted a vaccine mandate, and I'm disappointed in seeing Google reneging on theirs. It would have improved my relationship with my

I wish my employer _had_ instituted a vaccine mandate, and I'm disappointed in seeing Google reneging on theirs. It would have improved my relationship with my employer, increasing my trust in them. I've been disappointing in their slowness to respond to a public health crisis.

goldenchrome 5y ago
Care/harm is not the only moral that exists. Many people think it’s just as immoral to force individuals to inject something into themselves in order to remain employed.
- pornel 5y ago
  You don't have a moral right to spreading of a deadly disease onto your coworkers (which you may be doing knowingly or not, with much higher probability if you're unvaxed). So you either accept rules that are acceptable to the affected people around you, or stay away from others.
  - tapoxi 5y ago
    This isn’t the goal of the vaccine. You can and probably will still get mildly ill with newer variants and remain contagious. Vaccination will prevent you from getting seriously ill.
- KerrAvon 5y ago
  Many people should stop listening to the blathering of right-wing idiots and get with the public health programs of the past century. Forcing a vax mandate on everyone isn’t fair to people who are genuinely at risk if vaccinated, but the alternative should be WFH where possible or that you move to a different job if WFH physically won’t work. This is literally a public health crisis. There is a libertarian argument that this is bad for individual liberty, and I am also sympathetic to that. We generally give up some liberty in exchange for living in a society with other people. I can’t walk around my place of employment naked and smoking a blunt without getting fired. You can argue that that’s wrong too, and if so that would mean you’re not a hypocrite, congrats, I salute you.
  - adolph 5y ago
    > This is literally a public health crisis. Was and could be again. Not “is.”
coffeefirst 5y ago
Right. This is a trade-off. 1. Piss off the anti-vaxxers by having a mandate. 2. Piss off everyone else by giving in to a paranoid fringe. They did not solve this problem, they just moved it around into a more complicated form. Instead of dealing with people who want to stay remote so they don't have to follow the mandate, it's going to start with someone who has an immunocompromised family member and discovers an unvaccinated person on their team came to work with a cough.
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  Believe it or not, but there are quite a few people who are very much pro vaccine and have taken the covid vaccine that are opposed to the mandate. The idea that anybody who does not support a mandate is anti vax is ridiculous. The majority of the people I have talked to about the mandate who have taken the vaccine are opposed to it.
  - twox2 5y ago
    I'm vaccinated but anti-mandate.
    - bravetraveler 5y ago
      I'm finding myself similarly... Feel free to gloss over this, I'm processing if nothing else. I made my own decision early on that vaccination wasn't significant for me. I had been exposed [and a very mild case] due to forced travel during that window where we knew COVID existed, but acted like it had not yet entered the country. Natural immunity plus the fact that I live alone, never go out, and have been remote since before the pandemic... it wasn't a high priority for me. I felt reasonably safe and unlikely to spread it should it find me again. It was all to comply with federal mandates for contractors - my employer decided that this should apply to all [including remote] employees. It was more than a little inconvenient going out of my way to get vaccinated for arguably little gain. I might even say added risk in my case. The reporting process alone made me miss several deadlines. Asinine things like not being able to confirm my vaccination status until it sat in my veins for two weeks.
lern_too_spel 5y ago
Google is interested in reducing employment costs. A vaccine mandate makes sense when supply of Covid treatments is low. When supply of Covid treatments is no longer constrained (due to a combination of high enough vaccination rate and high enough supply of treatment), the cost of enforcing the mandate is higher than the cost of Covid.

goldenchrome 5y ago

Care/harm is not the only moral that exists. Many people think it’s just as immoral to force individuals to inject something into themselves in order to remain employed.

pornel 5y ago
You don't have a moral right to spreading of a deadly disease onto your coworkers (which you may be doing knowingly or not, with much higher probability if you're unvaxed). So you either accept rules that are acceptable to the affected people around you, or stay away from others.
- tapoxi 5y ago
  This isn’t the goal of the vaccine. You can and probably will still get mildly ill with newer variants and remain contagious. Vaccination will prevent you from getting seriously ill.
KerrAvon 5y ago
Many people should stop listening to the blathering of right-wing idiots and get with the public health programs of the past century. Forcing a vax mandate on everyone isn’t fair to people who are genuinely at risk if vaccinated, but the alternative should be WFH where possible or that you move to a different job if WFH physically won’t work. This is literally a public health crisis. There is a libertarian argument that this is bad for individual liberty, and I am also sympathetic to that. We generally give up some liberty in exchange for living in a society with other people. I can’t walk around my place of employment naked and smoking a blunt without getting fired. You can argue that that’s wrong too, and if so that would mean you’re not a hypocrite, congrats, I salute you.
- adolph 5y ago
  > This is literally a public health crisis. Was and could be again. Not “is.”

coffeefirst 5y ago

Right. This is a trade-off. 1. Piss off the anti-vaxxers by having a mandate. 2. Piss off everyone else by giving in to a paranoid fringe. They did not solve this problem, they just moved it around into a more complicated form. Instead of dealing with people who want to stay remote so they don't have to follow the mandate, it's going to start with someone who has an immunocompromised family member and discovers an unvaccinated person on their team came to work with a cough.

_-david-_ 5y ago
Believe it or not, but there are quite a few people who are very much pro vaccine and have taken the covid vaccine that are opposed to the mandate. The idea that anybody who does not support a mandate is anti vax is ridiculous. The majority of the people I have talked to about the mandate who have taken the vaccine are opposed to it.
- twox2 5y ago
  I'm vaccinated but anti-mandate.
  - bravetraveler 5y ago
    I'm finding myself similarly... Feel free to gloss over this, I'm processing if nothing else. I made my own decision early on that vaccination wasn't significant for me. I had been exposed [and a very mild case] due to forced travel during that window where we knew COVID existed, but acted like it had not yet entered the country. Natural immunity plus the fact that I live alone, never go out, and have been remote since before the pandemic... it wasn't a high priority for me. I felt reasonably safe and unlikely to spread it should it find me again. It was all to comply with federal mandates for contractors - my employer decided that this should apply to all [including remote] employees. It was more than a little inconvenient going out of my way to get vaccinated for arguably little gain. I might even say added risk in my case. The reporting process alone made me miss several deadlines. Asinine things like not being able to confirm my vaccination status until it sat in my veins for two weeks.

lern_too_spel 5y ago

Google is interested in reducing employment costs. A vaccine mandate makes sense when supply of Covid treatments is low. When supply of Covid treatments is no longer constrained (due to a combination of high enough vaccination rate and high enough supply of treatment), the cost of enforcing the mandate is higher than the cost of Covid.