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As a Spaniard this is, sadly, our everyday life. Specially if you watch the news. On the flip side we also use it to make jokes.

swayvil 5y ago
I hear that "for the public health" is a historically popular justification for unreasonable dictatorial action. Do you see that justification used much in Spain?
- christkv 5y ago
  Spain NOT the US We had an illegal lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic. Number of people punished 0. During most of the pandemic it's been back and forth on do this, do that. Things done that flies against all science like masking outside (just lifted) and other silly things like keeping small children masked in school knowing now that there rate of infection has been the same with or without masks. Other than that we seem to have avoided the authoritarian tendencies of the us, canada, australia, new zeland, germany, austria, france etc. Compared to those countries we have not had it to bad when it comes to violating our rights. Now it's time to vote all of them out of office. I don't want a single politician in power who got used to wielding power during a pandemic.
  - onion2k 5y ago
    We had an illegal lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic. What law was broken?
    - christkv 5y ago
      Free moment is guaranteed by the Spanish constitution it can only be set aside for martial law . Government never declared martial law only state of alarm (we have 3 levels of exception) so they did not have the right to restrict movement. We were all locked in our houses for 6 weeks. So yeah I want people to go to jail.
    - swayvil 5y ago
      Well in Illinois (USA) the governor kept reupping his emergency powers instead of passing control to the court. Shady af. (And he owns much of the pandemic related testing facilities, and related infrastructure, which is nice. He is richer now)
  - melenaboija 5y ago
    What is illegal from the lockdown?
    - version_five 5y ago
      In my country (not Spain) our government broke many laws (violated the constitution) in the name of covid restrictions. They decided it was ok because of public health. But laws are pointless if they can just be ignored when the government wants to. So in the sense of discussion, I think "illegal" is probably appropriate here, otherwise "in violation of post-enlightenment liberal democratic norms" maybe?
      - sobkas 5y ago
        > In my country (not Spain) our government broke many laws (violated the constitution) in the name of covid restrictions. They decided it was ok because of public health. But laws are pointless if they can just be ignored when the government wants to. So in the sense of discussion, I think "illegal" is probably appropriate here, otherwise "in violation of post-enlightenment liberal democratic norms" maybe? Because elites live under state sponsored anarcho-capitalism. It's only illegal if you're found out and then only if you find someone to prosecute you(cash only verdicts don't count for obvious reasons).
gostsamo 5y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the spanish past all about a right wing dictatorship?

swayvil 5y ago

I hear that "for the public health" is a historically popular justification for unreasonable dictatorial action. Do you see that justification used much in Spain?

christkv 5y ago
Spain NOT the US We had an illegal lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic. Number of people punished 0. During most of the pandemic it's been back and forth on do this, do that. Things done that flies against all science like masking outside (just lifted) and other silly things like keeping small children masked in school knowing now that there rate of infection has been the same with or without masks. Other than that we seem to have avoided the authoritarian tendencies of the us, canada, australia, new zeland, germany, austria, france etc. Compared to those countries we have not had it to bad when it comes to violating our rights. Now it's time to vote all of them out of office. I don't want a single politician in power who got used to wielding power during a pandemic.
- onion2k 5y ago
  We had an illegal lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic. What law was broken?
  - christkv 5y ago
    Free moment is guaranteed by the Spanish constitution it can only be set aside for martial law . Government never declared martial law only state of alarm (we have 3 levels of exception) so they did not have the right to restrict movement. We were all locked in our houses for 6 weeks. So yeah I want people to go to jail.
  - swayvil 5y ago
    Well in Illinois (USA) the governor kept reupping his emergency powers instead of passing control to the court. Shady af. (And he owns much of the pandemic related testing facilities, and related infrastructure, which is nice. He is richer now)
- melenaboija 5y ago
  What is illegal from the lockdown?
  - version_five 5y ago
    In my country (not Spain) our government broke many laws (violated the constitution) in the name of covid restrictions. They decided it was ok because of public health. But laws are pointless if they can just be ignored when the government wants to. So in the sense of discussion, I think "illegal" is probably appropriate here, otherwise "in violation of post-enlightenment liberal democratic norms" maybe?
    - sobkas 5y ago
      > In my country (not Spain) our government broke many laws (violated the constitution) in the name of covid restrictions. They decided it was ok because of public health. But laws are pointless if they can just be ignored when the government wants to. So in the sense of discussion, I think "illegal" is probably appropriate here, otherwise "in violation of post-enlightenment liberal democratic norms" maybe? Because elites live under state sponsored anarcho-capitalism. It's only illegal if you're found out and then only if you find someone to prosecute you(cash only verdicts don't count for obvious reasons).

gostsamo 5y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the spanish past all about a right wing dictatorship?