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> "The US is so divided that a previous president is encouraging Putin to invade" I've started hearing this a lot this morning and I don't see where Trump actu

> "The US is so divided that a previous president is encouraging Putin to invade" I've started hearing this a lot this morning and I don't see where Trump actually said this. From what I can tell he's blaming the current administration for allowing this to happen and saying that Putin is brilliant for taking advantage of Biden and outsmarting him. Seems like he's primarily calling Biden inept rather than encouraging Putin to go further.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
He's not - and never has - condemned or opposed it either though; I think the US may have dodged a bullet with not re-electing Trump, because if he used his position as supreme commander to not act on Russia's aggression (which he would be required to due to NATO etc), it would destabilize NATO and make it a toothless tiger. He's always been a fan of Putin, and especially early on during his presidency there were accusations and rumors of him being in Putin's pocket (via extortion, 'kompromat', but given the quotes over the years I don't think that would have been necessary). A selection of quotes: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vla...
- specialist 5y ago
  Yes and: > would destabilize NATO Trump is also hostile to NATO. For him, win/win.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Reading though the quotes I don't sense a particular affinity for Putin. I just see these quotes as extensions of how Trump likes to talk. He likes to dole out praise, probably thinking it helps his negotiating position by trying to endear the subject to him.
- sanedigital 5y ago
  Those accusations and rumors were paid for by the DNC [1] and ultimately found to be false [2]. Crimea was invaded under Obama. Russia made no expansionist moves under Trump. The current conflict was started under Biden. Hate Trump all you want, but to say that he would have been worse under these circumstances is a hard argument to swallow. [1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clint...] [2: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-recko...]
light_hue_1 5y ago
Here is what Trump said. He very clearly praised Putin's invasion. > “Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. ‘I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. ... We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/23/trump-praises-putin-ukraine-refuting-claims-tough-on-russia/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/23/trump-pra...
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Trump said this on a podcast, and I wonder how the quotes are interpreted differently when you hear his tone of voice: https://youtu.be/ebHVsWQThMU?t=41 https://youtu.be/ebHVsWQThMU?t=41 I suspect "Oh that's wonderful" is not meant to be literally interpreted as him thinking it's wonderful. I also don't think he actually sees those military forces as true peacekeepers either. "That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right." To me that sounds like he's mocking the idea that the force is actually for peacekeeping because it is the size and composition of an army.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > I suspect "Oh that's wonderful" is not meant to be literally interpreted as him thinking it's wonderful. Yes he abso-fucking-lutely means it's "wonderful", only not in the way you apparently misinterpreted it. > I also don't think he actually sees those military forces as true peacekeepers either. No, of course not. Where on Earth do you even get such an idea from? You're literally the first person I've seen even entertaining that hypothesis. > To me that sounds like he's mocking the idea that the force is actually for peacekeeping because it is the size and composition of an army. Yes, of course he's mocking that -- in admiration of the sheer audacity of using such a transparent lie. That is what's so "wonderful" about it, in his world -- it's exactly his own MO, but on a scale he has never got close to himself. He's (possibly literally) pissing his pants with glee over Putler's chutzpah. And that's why you can clearly hear from his voice that "We should do that on the Mexican border" was not sarcasm: It's a 100% serious recommendation that the USA should do the same, unilaterally declare some piece of Mexico "independent" and then go in and "peacekeep" it for themselves.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

He's not - and never has - condemned or opposed it either though; I think the US may have dodged a bullet with not re-electing Trump, because if he used his position as supreme commander to not act on Russia's aggression (which he would be required to due to NATO etc), it would destabilize NATO and make it a toothless tiger. He's always been a fan of Putin, and especially early on during his presidency there were accusations and rumors of him being in Putin's pocket (via extortion, 'kompromat', but given the quotes over the years I don't think that would have been necessary). A selection of quotes: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vla...

specialist 5y ago
Yes and: > would destabilize NATO Trump is also hostile to NATO. For him, win/win.
BitwiseFool 5y ago
Reading though the quotes I don't sense a particular affinity for Putin. I just see these quotes as extensions of how Trump likes to talk. He likes to dole out praise, probably thinking it helps his negotiating position by trying to endear the subject to him.
sanedigital 5y ago
Those accusations and rumors were paid for by the DNC [1] and ultimately found to be false [2]. Crimea was invaded under Obama. Russia made no expansionist moves under Trump. The current conflict was started under Biden. Hate Trump all you want, but to say that he would have been worse under these circumstances is a hard argument to swallow. [1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clint...] [2: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-recko...]

light_hue_1 5y ago

Here is what Trump said. He very clearly praised Putin's invasion. > “Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. ‘I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. ... We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/23/trump-praises-putin-ukraine-refuting-claims-tough-on-russia/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/23/trump-pra...

BitwiseFool 5y ago
Trump said this on a podcast, and I wonder how the quotes are interpreted differently when you hear his tone of voice: https://youtu.be/ebHVsWQThMU?t=41 https://youtu.be/ebHVsWQThMU?t=41 I suspect "Oh that's wonderful" is not meant to be literally interpreted as him thinking it's wonderful. I also don't think he actually sees those military forces as true peacekeepers either. "That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right." To me that sounds like he's mocking the idea that the force is actually for peacekeeping because it is the size and composition of an army.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > I suspect "Oh that's wonderful" is not meant to be literally interpreted as him thinking it's wonderful. Yes he abso-fucking-lutely means it's "wonderful", only not in the way you apparently misinterpreted it. > I also don't think he actually sees those military forces as true peacekeepers either. No, of course not. Where on Earth do you even get such an idea from? You're literally the first person I've seen even entertaining that hypothesis. > To me that sounds like he's mocking the idea that the force is actually for peacekeeping because it is the size and composition of an army. Yes, of course he's mocking that -- in admiration of the sheer audacity of using such a transparent lie. That is what's so "wonderful" about it, in his world -- it's exactly his own MO, but on a scale he has never got close to himself. He's (possibly literally) pissing his pants with glee over Putler's chutzpah. And that's why you can clearly hear from his voice that "We should do that on the Mexican border" was not sarcasm: It's a 100% serious recommendation that the USA should do the same, unilaterally declare some piece of Mexico "independent" and then go in and "peacekeep" it for themselves.