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> As students (born in the internet+smartphone era) they were primed all their life to feel freer in asocial cocooning Don't know what kind of students you're

> As students (born in the internet+smartphone era) they were primed all their life to feel freer in asocial cocooning Don't know what kind of students you're thinking about - I can't imagine anyone more intensely social than a group of freshers?

coldtea 5y ago
That's maybe because you don't have experience with past groups of freshers to compare modern ones to...
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  Been involved with universities since 2003.
  - coldtea 5y ago
    And yet you've managed not to see any change any outgoingness, loneliness, time spent on screen, etc., in students and teenagers, despite those being registered in all kinds of studies and polls? Heck, even the sex has been going down... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/teens-spend-hours-screens-entertainment-day-report/story?id=66607555 https://abcnews.go.com/US/teens-spend-hours-screens-entertai... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/02/nearly-four-in-10-university-students-addicted-to-smartphones-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/02/nearly-four-... [3] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/05/01/606588504/americans-are-a-lonely-lot-and-young-people-bear-the-heaviest-burden?t=1645790947631 https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/05/01/6065885... https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/campus-life-why-are-students-still-lonely/ https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/campus-life-why-are-student... https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jul/20/loneliness-britains-silent-plague-hurts-young-people-most https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jul/20/lonelin... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/13/young-americans-less-sex-study https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/13/young-a... [5] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jamanetworkopen.2020.3833 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... Now, even though 2003 is already after the start cutoff date (a first major development being the web's post-1994 huge adoption), the contrast between it and say 2013 (in between which dates smartphones and social media were widely available) would already releal huge changes in those aspects. Except if the changes became invisible even to someone in contact with students in a kind of "boiling the frog" incremental familiarity (where it had been slowly but steadily increasing each year, but the infra-year difference didn't seem important).

coldtea 5y ago

That's maybe because you don't have experience with past groups of freshers to compare modern ones to...

chrisseaton 5y ago
Been involved with universities since 2003.
- coldtea 5y ago
  And yet you've managed not to see any change any outgoingness, loneliness, time spent on screen, etc., in students and teenagers, despite those being registered in all kinds of studies and polls? Heck, even the sex has been going down... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/teens-spend-hours-screens-entertainment-day-report/story?id=66607555 https://abcnews.go.com/US/teens-spend-hours-screens-entertai... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/02/nearly-four-in-10-university-students-addicted-to-smartphones-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/02/nearly-four-... [3] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/05/01/606588504/americans-are-a-lonely-lot-and-young-people-bear-the-heaviest-burden?t=1645790947631 https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/05/01/6065885... https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/campus-life-why-are-students-still-lonely/ https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/campus-life-why-are-student... https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jul/20/loneliness-britains-silent-plague-hurts-young-people-most https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jul/20/lonelin... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/13/young-americans-less-sex-study https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jun/13/young-a... [5] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jamanetworkopen.2020.3833 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... Now, even though 2003 is already after the start cutoff date (a first major development being the web's post-1994 huge adoption), the contrast between it and say 2013 (in between which dates smartphones and social media were widely available) would already releal huge changes in those aspects. Except if the changes became invisible even to someone in contact with students in a kind of "boiling the frog" incremental familiarity (where it had been slowly but steadily increasing each year, but the infra-year difference didn't seem important).