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Just want to throw this[0] in here because it's easy to think that the opinion within a bubble is representative of actual consensus: > New public opinion data

Just want to throw this[0] in here because it's easy to think that the opinion within a bubble is representative of actual consensus: > New public opinion data from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute shows after more than two weeks of unrest, Canadians are now more likely to oppose measures sought by protesters. > Overall, more than two-in-five now say Canadians say the protests have made them more inclined to support ongoing restrictions related to masking indoors (44%) and vaccination requirements to cross the Canada-U.S. border (44%). > As the country rolls into another week of uncertainty, nearly three-quarters of Canadians (72%) say the time has come for protesters to “go home, they have made their point.” > As to how the situation should be resolved – most feel the time for talking is done. Nearly seventy per cent either think local police need to step in and send people home (45%) or that the military should be summoned (23%). One quarter (26%) say it’s up to politicians to negotiate a dénouement. > However, those same politicians, including the prime minister and the leader of Canada’s official opposition, are roundly criticized for harming, not helping events. Two-thirds (65%) say Prime Minister Justin Trudeau comments and actions have worsened the situation, while two-in-five (42%) say this of Candice Bergen, leader of the official opposition. The consensus here is pretty strong: Canadians supported the masking and mandates and supported it more strongly in response to the protest. Canadians supported ending the protest, including by force (military or police). Canadians think politicians on both sides handled the situation poorly. [0] https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine-mandates-covid-19/ https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine...

bko 5y ago
> New public opinion data from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute shows after more than two weeks of unrest, Canadians are now more likely to oppose measures sought by protesters. Weren't the protestors against measures. Were they proposing measures? Is there a measure to oppose existing measures? It's weird framing. > Overall, more than two-in-five now say Canadians say the protests have made them more inclined to support ongoing restrictions related to masking indoors (44%) and vaccination requirements to cross the Canada-U.S. border (44%). That's a weird way of saying the majority of Canadians say the protests have made them more skeptical of ongoing restrictions > Canadians supported the masking and mandates and supported it more strongly in response to the protest I don't see how people were against mandates that prevent you from leaving the country, saw a bunch of people upset about it and somehow swayed their mind to further restrict people. It's just odd.
- jfengel 5y ago
  It's odd, but not uncommon. People rarely get a chance to evaluate their decisions based on primary sources and their own experience. They take their cues from others, both positively and negatively. They may not know firsthand whether mandates are a good idea. The overwhelming opinions of epidemiologists will put a thumb on the scale, because they are experts, but at least some will remain on the fence. If they see other people who oppose mandates behaving in ways they consider unworthy -- such as blocking legitimate traffic and disturbing the peace -- it actually counts against their argument and pushes a few people off the fence in the opposite direction. It's not valid reasoning, but if we were all reasoning validly we wouldn't be in this situation.

bko 5y ago

> New public opinion data from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute shows after more than two weeks of unrest, Canadians are now more likely to oppose measures sought by protesters. Weren't the protestors against measures. Were they proposing measures? Is there a measure to oppose existing measures? It's weird framing. > Overall, more than two-in-five now say Canadians say the protests have made them more inclined to support ongoing restrictions related to masking indoors (44%) and vaccination requirements to cross the Canada-U.S. border (44%). That's a weird way of saying the majority of Canadians say the protests have made them more skeptical of ongoing restrictions > Canadians supported the masking and mandates and supported it more strongly in response to the protest I don't see how people were against mandates that prevent you from leaving the country, saw a bunch of people upset about it and somehow swayed their mind to further restrict people. It's just odd.

jfengel 5y ago
It's odd, but not uncommon. People rarely get a chance to evaluate their decisions based on primary sources and their own experience. They take their cues from others, both positively and negatively. They may not know firsthand whether mandates are a good idea. The overwhelming opinions of epidemiologists will put a thumb on the scale, because they are experts, but at least some will remain on the fence. If they see other people who oppose mandates behaving in ways they consider unworthy -- such as blocking legitimate traffic and disturbing the peace -- it actually counts against their argument and pushes a few people off the fence in the opposite direction. It's not valid reasoning, but if we were all reasoning validly we wouldn't be in this situation.