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First, my heart does go to people in Ukraine found themselves in conditions not of their doing or their wishes. At similar place was my heart with Iraqi during

First, my heart does go to people in Ukraine found themselves in conditions not of their doing or their wishes. At similar place was my heart with Iraqi during shock and awe attack with 2 Tomahawk missiles per minute hitting them first 24 hours, million of people died directly and many more indirectly in that war. Same with Syrian war or Lybian or any other war which leaves disarray and destruction in its wake. Ordinary citizens suffer the most and it is tragic. There is little one can do once the war machine is on (especially if a nuclear power is the culprit). That is without dispute and no additional commentary needed. However, the geopolitical and strategic principles are by extension natural laws and there is a solid theory behind that. There are facts (some of which are not known to us) in which US/EU stance forced/pushed Russian elites to conclusion that they need to assert themselves militarily (that is also not controversial ... this goes back 2 decades). The tug of war among different interest resulted in this situation. Tensions exists and can be converted into destructive force if not handled properly, or perceived to be (again nothing controversial). If Russia elites made decision surely weighing the cost/benefits (strategic as well as tactical) that's that. EU and US interests with Ukraine are also not parallel if one studies the history, and this situation is no different (although not pertinent to discuss). Media is managed by both sides, narratives are prepared for respective populations, there is nothing controversial here. International law is in its infancy and selectively applied, and mostly non-enforceable against a super-power. Moving to today's situation, wars have their life cycle determined by force fields of international state players. Nevertheless, on personal level I would join you in a being opposed to any war, and denouncing aggression on civilian targets regardless of the culprit.

mint2 5y ago
Your comments were saying/arguing Russia would not invade and implying I and others were naive for believing they would invade. Now your comment is simply calling up Iraq and similar because two wrong make a right apparently. Even worse than that, apparently because “Russian elites” weighed the options your comment seems to be excusing this pointless war and carnage wrought by an arrogant man in a bubble who’s living in a warped view of the past. Now both Ukrainians and their Russian brethren are dying fighting each other purely for the vanity and delusions of a weak minded man. There is a picture of a fallen Russian soldier covered in snow by a burned out vehicle, this is what the Putin desired.Russians are suffering, Ukrainians are suffering. But the “elites” weighed it your comment says! Let the elites be the ones fighting and dying then. They do not care about average Russians. They only care about power and graft. I do not find those explanations of the proven wrong logic from the earlier comments to be in good faith. The passive prevaricating and pseudo intellectual tone of the comment is, in my most generous interpretation, akin to the passive avoidance tone some take when caught completely in the wrong but unwilling to admit being wrong to themselves or others. I would hope being wrong about such a grave matter would be sobering and cause more introspection but apparently that has not happened. The sympathy towards Ukrainians does not come off as being sincere in the context of the comment.

mint2 5y ago

Your comments were saying/arguing Russia would not invade and implying I and others were naive for believing they would invade. Now your comment is simply calling up Iraq and similar because two wrong make a right apparently. Even worse than that, apparently because “Russian elites” weighed the options your comment seems to be excusing this pointless war and carnage wrought by an arrogant man in a bubble who’s living in a warped view of the past. Now both Ukrainians and their Russian brethren are dying fighting each other purely for the vanity and delusions of a weak minded man. There is a picture of a fallen Russian soldier covered in snow by a burned out vehicle, this is what the Putin desired.Russians are suffering, Ukrainians are suffering. But the “elites” weighed it your comment says! Let the elites be the ones fighting and dying then. They do not care about average Russians. They only care about power and graft. I do not find those explanations of the proven wrong logic from the earlier comments to be in good faith. The passive prevaricating and pseudo intellectual tone of the comment is, in my most generous interpretation, akin to the passive avoidance tone some take when caught completely in the wrong but unwilling to admit being wrong to themselves or others. I would hope being wrong about such a grave matter would be sobering and cause more introspection but apparently that has not happened. The sympathy towards Ukrainians does not come off as being sincere in the context of the comment.