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> Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 to "enforce peace". Same with Crimea in 2014. Then Luhansk and Donetsk a few days ago. Now the rest of Ukraine. Discussion with

> Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 to "enforce peace". Same with Crimea in 2014. Then Luhansk and Donetsk a few days ago. Now the rest of Ukraine. Discussion with Putin is futile. Just remember that the USA played the same kind of playbook (maybe worse) in Syria and Iraq. It's equally condamnable, but it can give you some perspective to see through media portrayal.

thow-58d4e8b 5y ago
Kosovo is a more apt comparison. There's no way of condemning annexation of the breakaway regions, while defending doing the same with Kosovo - without coming out as a hypocrite who bends the facts to fit his needs
- eagleal 5y ago
  In a way the comparison is understandable, but in Kosovo and Bosnia there were systemic etnic persecution and genocide by the Serbian government. A more similar comparison would be the US and USSR funding of factions in Italy during the Anni di Piombo. And then say US or USSR officialy arming and sponsoring Forza Nuova (or another militant organization) for indipendence of Padania.
  - xdennis 5y ago
    And now there are Christian persecution and genocide under US protection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritage_in_Kosovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritag...
  - tut-urut-utut 5y ago
    > but in Kosovo and Bosnia there were systemic etnic persecution and genocide by the Serbian government. Which turned to be false. The Racak massacre that provoked Bosnian intervention was a lie used to make a case for an invasion. Similar to mass weapons in Iraq that were never found. The same in Bosnia, where Markale incident used to accuse one side of war crimes later appeared to be organized by Muslim paramilitary to provoke military intervention and make a press. The only thing Serbian side did wrong, is that it was ruled by socialist (ex-communist) party.
  - darebak 5y ago
    >In a way the comparison is understandable, but in Kosovo and Bosnia there were systemic etnic persecution and genocide by the Serbian government. Please don't spread misinformation, there was no genocide in Kosovo* and no involment of the Serbian/Yugoslav government in the Bosnian genocide. If you have any international court ruling which proves otherwise, you're free to link it here.
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thow-58d4e8b 5y ago

Kosovo is a more apt comparison. There's no way of condemning annexation of the breakaway regions, while defending doing the same with Kosovo - without coming out as a hypocrite who bends the facts to fit his needs

eagleal 5y ago
In a way the comparison is understandable, but in Kosovo and Bosnia there were systemic etnic persecution and genocide by the Serbian government. A more similar comparison would be the US and USSR funding of factions in Italy during the Anni di Piombo. And then say US or USSR officialy arming and sponsoring Forza Nuova (or another militant organization) for indipendence of Padania.
- xdennis 5y ago
  And now there are Christian persecution and genocide under US protection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritage_in_Kosovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritag...
- tut-urut-utut 5y ago
  > but in Kosovo and Bosnia there were systemic etnic persecution and genocide by the Serbian government. Which turned to be false. The Racak massacre that provoked Bosnian intervention was a lie used to make a case for an invasion. Similar to mass weapons in Iraq that were never found. The same in Bosnia, where Markale incident used to accuse one side of war crimes later appeared to be organized by Muslim paramilitary to provoke military intervention and make a press. The only thing Serbian side did wrong, is that it was ruled by socialist (ex-communist) party.
- darebak 5y ago
  >In a way the comparison is understandable, but in Kosovo and Bosnia there were systemic etnic persecution and genocide by the Serbian government. Please don't spread misinformation, there was no genocide in Kosovo* and no involment of the Serbian/Yugoslav government in the Bosnian genocide. If you have any international court ruling which proves otherwise, you're free to link it here.
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