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I await the Russian trolls to tell us that this is all Western propaganda.
by MattGaiser 5y ago
I await the Russian trolls to tell us that this is all Western propaganda.
- nickysielicki 5y agoI didn’t follow this civil war for 7 years for someone to tell me I’m not entitled to an opinion on who is the real aggressor here.
- tadfisher 5y agoThe narrative is already pivoting to "NATO made them do this".
- murkt 5y agoRight, it’s the denazification of a country with the Jewish president. Fuck Russia :(
- jedmeyers 5y agoYou don’t understand, they are “nazi” because they are nationalists and support their country. So Russian nazis are going to attack Ukrainian nazis do “denazificate” them.
- nickysielicki 5y agoAzov battalion is full-on white nationalist neo nazi and they’re a large and legitimate player in this war. And they’ve been wiped off the map tonight. I guess it depends on your definition of a made up word but I’d certainly call it denazification.
- woodruffw 5y agoI don't know what the Azov battalion is, but I don't think shelling Kiev has much to do with them. Edit: They're a far-right/neo-Nazi group in the Donbas, apparently.
- nickpp 5y agoNot the whole country, just the President. Remember, the Russian people generally do not want any wars, they are not very prosperous and happy.
- BasDirks 5y agoNo. The Russian people are accountable.
- waffleiron 5y agoBut somehow the US citizens are never accountable for their illegal wars. The hypocrisy is astounding.
- nickpp 5y agoIt’s Russia invading an independent country right now, not USA. Don’t change the subject.
- pruski 5y agoNot just the president, there’s a whole elitist gang around him. Once he’s out, things might get even worse
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- tehjoker 5y agoYea, the US weapons going to the Azov Battalion are certainly not undermining that case.
- jazzyjackson 5y agoCan you say what you mean for those of us not familiar with the Azov Battalion?
- tehjoker 5y agoNATO (the US) is funding Nazi nationalists that wear swastika tattoos and think Bandera was good. They are doing this because Ukrainians don't want a civil war, so it's hard to find people to fight and die. Therefore, we pick the moderate rebels as we are so fond of doing.
- woodruffw 5y agoI just learned about the Azov battalion about 15 minutes ago, but I can't find any sources online that indicate them having more than a few hundred volunteers. The US has a knack of dumping weapons on countries and having those weapons eventually end up in the hands of reactionaries, but I think at present those reactionaries make up a vanishingly small fraction of the weapons recipients.
- tehjoker 5y agoI can't claim to be intimately familiar with Ukraine, but based on the US's history of funding the most violent psychopaths imaginable, I really doubt it's an accident. I will also note that in the past, several elements of NATO's high command were former Nazi generals, so I really doubt there's a ton of angst about it internally.
- woodruffw 5y agoAbsent any evidence that NATO arms were specifically directed towards neo-Nazi groups (and not just groups affiliated with Ukraine's national police, which Azov unfortunately seems to be), I think there's nothing to support anything except it being an accident. And again, this is from someone who exercises extraordinary skepticism in the context of US international action.
- dragonwriter 5y agoThat's been the narrative since the beginning, except for the big long stretch of Putin’s recent speech where he blamed the problem on the USSR, and Lenin and Stalin specifically, for existence of Ukraine as a modern polity occupying land that, in Putin’s view, is rightfully Russian.
- hericium 5y agoThe propaganda is a rescue operation not no invasion at all: I've already seen "Russian operation to protect people from Kiev regime" headline on an Indian news site.
- jreese 5y agoThis post already got marked as flagged/dead ten minutes ago. I'm glad HN has the option to "vouch" for posts.
- ImprovedSilence 5y agoThe first post I saw that mentioned it disappeared off the first 4 pages at least a few min after I saw it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30449794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30449794
- shusaku 5y agoTo be fair, it is slightly off topic. I hope we get more articles on the war which go in depth about the tactics, operations, etc.
- nickpp 5y agoPutin has been growing and funding his online and offline armies well, while the West has been sleeping at the wheel for years.
- nickpp 5y agoDo not forget the "useful idiots' who will whitewash anything the enemies of the west do just because they align with their ideology better than the free world does.
- MattGaiser 5y agoMy response to that is the same as it has historically been. We don't need a wall to keep our people in. If you wish to go to North Korea, you are free to do so. Fair warning though, it doesn't work the same way in reverse.
- suzzer99 5y agoThey're already here in this thread.
- nickpp 5y agoI think HN's moderation policy of not accusing accounts of being paid trolls and sock puppets is maybe failing today, here.
- darthrupert 5y agoYep, just a week ago they were in "ridicule west for saying that the attack is cominh". Biden was right all the time.
- dang 5y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into hellish flamewar. This is the last thing we need here, and with comments like this one, what chance is there to avoid it? If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.