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> Does this being on YouTube make it any less meaningful? The professor is clueless. Before the war has started in 2014, Ukrainians din't want NATO expansion.

> Does this being on YouTube make it any less meaningful? The professor is clueless. Before the war has started in 2014, Ukrainians din't want NATO expansion. Overwhelmingly, they wanted to stay neutral. In 2008 NATO summit in Romania, Ukraine and Georgia were denied from getting NATO membership plan, not invited: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7328276.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7328276.stm The orange revolution of 2004 has nothing to do with the west. Ukrainians did it for internal reasons.

warner_of_doom 5y ago
Do you not recall the Victoria Nuland tape that leaked? "F** the EU" she said -- knowing full well that the Germans and French would be against a coup in then-neutral Ukraine.
warner_of_doom 5y ago
I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US. NATO proposed Ukrainian and Georgian membership of NATO in 2005-2008, in the clear knowledge that this would destabilize the situation. France, Germany, and others were against this. The proposal began the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBQikfYyKs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBQikfYyKs We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev, an open act of aggression just as irresponsible as a military incursion. CIA John Brennan, Senator John McCain, and Diplomat Victoria Nuland were there in Ukraine when Yanukovych was being overthrown. There is also evidence to show that we were involved through NGOs in overthrowing and promoting an atmosphere desiring the overthrow of Yanukovych.
- Const-me 5y ago
  > I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US. US is on another continent. It doesn't needs that buffer, Atlantic ocean is rather wide and deep. You seems to ignore what Ukrainians want. NATO is an open alliance (open https://www.nato.int/ https://www.nato.int/ and read what they wrote there), not an American empire. > We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev That backing was limited to verbal expressions of support. Technically you're not wrong and this might count as "backing", but I don't believe that changed anything at all in the outcome.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > 2014 putsch in Kiev WARNING: Troll factory catchphrase ["putsch"].
  - ComradePhil 5y ago
    >NATO is an open alliance, not an American empire. NATO is an excuse for America to have their colonising army in Europe while making it look like something else. America can brainwash Europeans by using the media of these compromised nations and their own peasants via their corrupt corporate media... but don't expect outsiders, include Russia, to fall for this nonsense.

warner_of_doom 5y ago

Do you not recall the Victoria Nuland tape that leaked? "F** the EU" she said -- knowing full well that the Germans and French would be against a coup in then-neutral Ukraine.

warner_of_doom 5y ago

I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US. NATO proposed Ukrainian and Georgian membership of NATO in 2005-2008, in the clear knowledge that this would destabilize the situation. France, Germany, and others were against this. The proposal began the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBQikfYyKs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBQikfYyKs We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev, an open act of aggression just as irresponsible as a military incursion. CIA John Brennan, Senator John McCain, and Diplomat Victoria Nuland were there in Ukraine when Yanukovych was being overthrown. There is also evidence to show that we were involved through NGOs in overthrowing and promoting an atmosphere desiring the overthrow of Yanukovych.

Const-me 5y ago
> I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US. US is on another continent. It doesn't needs that buffer, Atlantic ocean is rather wide and deep. You seems to ignore what Ukrainians want. NATO is an open alliance (open https://www.nato.int/ https://www.nato.int/ and read what they wrote there), not an American empire. > We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev That backing was limited to verbal expressions of support. Technically you're not wrong and this might count as "backing", but I don't believe that changed anything at all in the outcome.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > 2014 putsch in Kiev WARNING: Troll factory catchphrase ["putsch"].
- ComradePhil 5y ago
  >NATO is an open alliance, not an American empire. NATO is an excuse for America to have their colonising army in Europe while making it look like something else. America can brainwash Europeans by using the media of these compromised nations and their own peasants via their corrupt corporate media... but don't expect outsiders, include Russia, to fall for this nonsense.