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This is such a tragedy. Two close countries with shared histories are being put to war and many innocents will die because of a crazed maniac who has been sitti

This is such a tragedy. Two close countries with shared histories are being put to war and many innocents will die because of a crazed maniac who has been sitting on his chair for 20 years and who has delusions of grandeur.

atlgator 5y ago
It's about controlling the supply of oil and gas to Europe. Putin didn't get his pipeline. This is the unfortunate alternative.
- csee 5y ago
  No. He was about to get Nord Stream 2 through, which doens't run through Ukraine, and now he got it shut down.
  - Evgenii1 5y ago
    Temporary pause in licensing from Germany not 'shut down'. Germany has no choice but to buy Russian gas where else are they going to get energy from to run their huge GDP country
    - hilbertseries 5y ago
      Gas makes up 10 percent of energy usage. More of a concern for heating and industries requiring it. But they can start investing in retrofitting and other sources now.
      - jdkee 5y ago
        Too bad Germany decided to shut down its nuclear plants. See https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-25/what-the-u-s-can-learn-from-germany-s-nuclear-power-plant-shutdowns https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-25/what-t...
        nate_meurer 5y ago
        This needs to be repeated at every opportunity. I believe history will ultimately judge this as Merkel's greatest failure, and I say that as a fan of her's.
- friedturkey 5y ago
  Ironically, Russia was pretty comfortably selling oil and gas until Putin decided he wanted to destroy his country's industry. I don't think anyone hates the Russian people as much as he does.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  This is going to be the strongest push to get Europe of Russia's gas ever seen. Winter is 2/3rds over. If it's only about oil - this is incredibly short sighted. As others have mentioned - Nord Stream 2 circumvented Ukraine. All was well for oil. This blows that up in his face. The ruble is down ~14% since this started. MOEX is down ~20% on top of that. Corporate debt yields are up from ~1% to ~8%. This has erased almost 40% of Russia's private wealth in the span of a month. For anyone thinking - BUT THE PRICE OF OIL IS GOING UP!!1! Not Russian Oil - it's going down: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/22/russian-oil-sells-at-deep-discount-on-ukraine-crisis https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/22/russian-oil-sell...
  - voisin 5y ago
    > This has erased almost 40% of Russia's private wealth in the span of a month. Just wait until Putin announces the pívot to the metaverse.
  - q1w2 5y ago
    This is why Russia has been quietly funding all the anti-nuclear movements in the west. ...to keep the west addicted to his oil and gas.
warner_of_doom 5y ago
This war is about more than just Putin. Research: George Friedman, Peter Zeihan, John Mearsheimer, Peter Hitchens, Noam Chomsky (more of an ideologue), etc. on this issue. You can start on YouTube OR read their books, I guess.
- WarChortle 5y ago
  - bendbro 5y ago
    Most of those people are academics who's lectures are hosted on youtube.
  - warner_of_doom 5y ago
    These are all PhDs or experts in some fashion that I just cited. You could just read their books too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hitchens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hitchens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky Does this being on YouTube make it any less meaningful?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE Are these all lies?: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+zeihan+russia https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+zeihan+ru... What about this?: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+hitchens+ukraine https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+hitchens+... And, here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=noam+chomsky+ukraine https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=noam+chomsky+uk... Is this unreasonable?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXsq0Z30ppA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXsq0Z30ppA
    - Const-me 5y ago
      > Does this being on YouTube make it any less meaningful? The professor is clueless. Before the war has started in 2014, Ukrainians din't want NATO expansion. Overwhelmingly, they wanted to stay neutral. In 2008 NATO summit in Romania, Ukraine and Georgia were denied from getting NATO membership plan, not invited: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7328276.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7328276.stm The orange revolution of 2004 has nothing to do with the west. Ukrainians did it for internal reasons.

atlgator 5y ago

It's about controlling the supply of oil and gas to Europe. Putin didn't get his pipeline. This is the unfortunate alternative.

csee 5y ago
No. He was about to get Nord Stream 2 through, which doens't run through Ukraine, and now he got it shut down.
- Evgenii1 5y ago
  Temporary pause in licensing from Germany not 'shut down'. Germany has no choice but to buy Russian gas where else are they going to get energy from to run their huge GDP country
  - hilbertseries 5y ago
    Gas makes up 10 percent of energy usage. More of a concern for heating and industries requiring it. But they can start investing in retrofitting and other sources now.
    - jdkee 5y ago
      Too bad Germany decided to shut down its nuclear plants. See https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-25/what-the-u-s-can-learn-from-germany-s-nuclear-power-plant-shutdowns https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-25/what-t...
      - nate_meurer 5y ago
        This needs to be repeated at every opportunity. I believe history will ultimately judge this as Merkel's greatest failure, and I say that as a fan of her's.
friedturkey 5y ago
Ironically, Russia was pretty comfortably selling oil and gas until Putin decided he wanted to destroy his country's industry. I don't think anyone hates the Russian people as much as he does.
onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
This is going to be the strongest push to get Europe of Russia's gas ever seen. Winter is 2/3rds over. If it's only about oil - this is incredibly short sighted. As others have mentioned - Nord Stream 2 circumvented Ukraine. All was well for oil. This blows that up in his face. The ruble is down ~14% since this started. MOEX is down ~20% on top of that. Corporate debt yields are up from ~1% to ~8%. This has erased almost 40% of Russia's private wealth in the span of a month. For anyone thinking - BUT THE PRICE OF OIL IS GOING UP!!1! Not Russian Oil - it's going down: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/22/russian-oil-sells-at-deep-discount-on-ukraine-crisis https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/22/russian-oil-sell...
- voisin 5y ago
  > This has erased almost 40% of Russia's private wealth in the span of a month. Just wait until Putin announces the pívot to the metaverse.
- q1w2 5y ago
  This is why Russia has been quietly funding all the anti-nuclear movements in the west. ...to keep the west addicted to his oil and gas.

warner_of_doom 5y ago

This war is about more than just Putin. Research: George Friedman, Peter Zeihan, John Mearsheimer, Peter Hitchens, Noam Chomsky (more of an ideologue), etc. on this issue. You can start on YouTube OR read their books, I guess.

WarChortle 5y ago
- bendbro 5y ago
  Most of those people are academics who's lectures are hosted on youtube.
- warner_of_doom 5y ago
  These are all PhDs or experts in some fashion that I just cited. You could just read their books too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Zeihan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hitchens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hitchens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky Does this being on YouTube make it any less meaningful?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE Are these all lies?: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+zeihan+russia https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+zeihan+ru... What about this?: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+hitchens+ukraine https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=peter+hitchens+... And, here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=noam+chomsky+ukraine https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=noam+chomsky+uk... Is this unreasonable?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXsq0Z30ppA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXsq0Z30ppA
  - Const-me 5y ago
    > Does this being on YouTube make it any less meaningful? The professor is clueless. Before the war has started in 2014, Ukrainians din't want NATO expansion. Overwhelmingly, they wanted to stay neutral. In 2008 NATO summit in Romania, Ukraine and Georgia were denied from getting NATO membership plan, not invited: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7328276.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7328276.stm The orange revolution of 2004 has nothing to do with the west. Ukrainians did it for internal reasons.