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With the support of Tucker Carlson, just an hour ago: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496668655727349763 https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496
by throwaway5752 5y ago
With the support of Tucker Carlson, just an hour ago: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496668655727349763 https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496668655727349763 "Ukraine isn't a democracy. It's a State Department client state."
- phendrenad2 5y agoAmericans always find a way to make all news about random American political commentors.
- throwaway5752 5y agoThe fact that a portion of the US political population is under active measure psyops compounds the current circumstances.
- b0sk 5y agoCandace Owens says WE are at fault https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status/1496124028968394765?s=21 https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status/1496124028968394765?...
- csee 5y agoUnbelievable. They talk a big game when it comes to freedom but are supporting a repressive dictator who hates their freedom.
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- kstenerud 5y agoThe truth is a bit more nuanced. NATO expansion is viewed by the Russians as a violation of previous alleged agreements and assurances by the West, and a HUGE sore point with the Russians, to the point that hardliners there believe this to be an existential crisis. So yes, in the higher Russian circles they do truly believe that this is all America's fault, and in truth America absolutely did harm relations with Russia and for better or worse knowingly intimidated them to the point that lashing out became likely. However, one cannot attack another and then blame someone else for one's own violence. This is not an acceptable response to such grievances; it's how an abuser reacts. But people don't like complicated explanations, so we settle on "Russia is bad" vs "America is bad" and then pick sides to sling mud from.
- csee 5y agoWhat agreements specifically were made by the West that promised Russia that there would be no NATO expansion?
- ambicapter 5y agoWhat NATO expansion are you talking about?
- kstenerud 5y agoExpansion into the Ukraine. It's Russia's Rubicon. But really it's the steady pace of the Visegrád Group, Vilnius Group, and Adriatic Charter.
- adamnemecek 5y agoUkraine doesn't have a right to decide what treaties they it joins?
- kstenerud 5y agoTechnically, they do. In reality, they don't. The Ukraine isn't one of the big boys on the playground, so anything they do needs the OK of the big boys.
- thevagrant 5y agoIt's a little bit scary. It would be interesting to see the full money trail behind fox news and its celebrities.
- s5300 5y agoMurdoch has some grand plans and he’s by all means getting away with them pretty damn easily.
- woodruffw 5y agoI can't even fathom what this means. Ukraine is not a significant trade partner of the US, nor is it in NATO or even the EU. They don't store our missiles as part of a strategic defense system the way Poland and Turkey do. Edit: Thinking about it more: what could it mean for this to be a negative thing? It's presumably not even about Ukraine's autonomy, since Carlson seems okay with said autonomy not existing under a Russian imposed state.
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- csee 5y agoTrump speaks well of Putin, so the right-wing commentators also speak well of Putin. They also feel he was maligned unfairly by the Steele Dossier Russia stuff, so to "own the libs" as revenge they embrace the dictator Putin.
- woodruffw 5y agoOh, sure -- I get the "meta-game" of it. But "State Department client state" feels like a remarkably...flabby reproach.
- artificial 5y agoHunter was getting $50k a month from a Ukraine gas company. [0] There’s definitely a conflict of interest with the administration. Also Biden bragging about getting a prosecutor fired and threatening to withhold aid. [1] https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY [0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-probe-finds-hunter-bidens-ukraine-work-raised-concerns-with-obama-officials-11600859178 https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-probe-finds-hunter-b...
- woodruffw 5y agoDiscarding the truth value of these claims: this doesn't explain why Ukraine is characterized as a "State Department client state." Hunter Biden is not a member of the executive branch.
- jimmygrapes 5y agoHe ain't wrong. U.S. involvement there has been... intense, for lack of a better word, for decades.
- throwaway5752 5y agoRussia poisoned Ukraine's president with dioxin after their preferred candidate lost in 2005.
- woodruffw 5y agoI don't understand which decades are in question, since Ukraine has only been independent for about 3 of them. Ukraine entered a partnership with NATO in 1994 (mirroring a similar partnership with CIS), and the US has been palpably hesitant to advance their formal military commitment beyond that level. This is of course in contrast to annexation of Crimea and the Donbas.
- jimmygrapes 5y agoI'm referring to the actions of the State Department in Ukraine, as evidenced by "Cablegate" and by later reporting and leaks regarding the Maiden revolution and subsequent elections. I'm sure HN will be full of experts within a few hours, if the speed of new armchair virologists the last few years are any indication.
- ambicapter 5y agoThat's not at all what he's implying.
- belltaco 5y agoI got a better one from Tucker. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1458614311413338121 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1458614311413338121 "Why isn't the US on Russia's side in this?"
- ryeights 5y agoThis would be funny if it weren’t frightening.
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- WillPostForFood 5y agoA war is starting and your big concern is a fringe talk show host that reaches < 1% of the population? Shelve the partisanship for a couple days.
- jsiaajdsdaa 5y agoI do believe that Tucker reaches more than 1% of the population. Also, my opinion about this situation: war has no place in 2022.
- WillPostForFood 5y agoJust under 1% average: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30463730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30463730
- woodruffw 5y agoI'm not sure what's partisan about the GP's comment, unless any reference to Tucker's support for Russia is somehow partisan.
- WillPostForFood 5y agoIt is partisan, in the opening moments of a terrible war, to look to use said war as a way to attack your local political opponents, or to deflect blame from your political allies.
- csee 5y agoIt is relevant. These commentators give soft power to Putin.
- throwaway5752 5y agoHis show is watched by 1.5% of the US population and is the single most watched cable news show. I would find his comments abhorrent whether they were on Fox or MSNBC.
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- stephen_greet 5y agoReactionary opposition. Doesn't matter the facts, doesn't matter the substance. Trump is right, Biden is old & stupid. I mean, look at this Reddit thread. Somehow, Trump was the deterrent for 4 years despite his ongoing infatuation with an authoritarian dedicator. Enough is enough, if you pretend both sides are the same you are the problem. https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/t009rq/breaking_russia_begins_fullscale_invasion_into/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/t009rq/breaki... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/22/trump-reacts-putins-invasion-ukraine-exactly-youd-expect/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/22/trump-rea...
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- AlexandrB 5y agoAnd he thinks that's a bad thing? Isn't Tucker Carlson/Fox News supposed to be unapologetically pro-America? This position from the right makes no sense if you think about it for a minute. Bizzaro world.
- throwaway_4ever 5y agoIf you've been paying attention to the crap that Trump and his sycophants have pulled you'd realize it makes total sense. These people are not patriots to America in it's current form. They are wholly on board for a new authoritarian far right nationalist America, in bed with the Russian state to further their goals.