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> Are you implying exploitative consent is okay in porn because it normalized in other places? >... > Here is a better example for your whataboutism argument

> Are you implying exploitative consent is okay in porn because it normalized in other places? >... > Here is a better example for your whataboutism argument ... Not OP, but I think you might be over-analyzing their comment. I am interpreting their short comment as opening a thread of conversation on the notion of what "real informed consent" means, and adding other circumstances where an outsider would also reasonably expect informed consent, yet people find themselves in undesired circumstances. That's it, as that's all that's written.

fastball 5y ago
Yeah, I read it as more pointing out that "real informed consent" sounds a bit like a No True Scotsman fallacy. "I have consent right here, the actor signed a literal release form." "But that's not real, informed consent."
- manquer 5y ago
  Perfect understanding can not be achieved yes also defining what is ideal consent is hard and arbitrary, that shouldn't mean we abandon any hope of improving current state of consent which is not effective. To improve informed consent say for trading[1], a basic training course required by SEC on risks and options would go long way for a lot of people to understand how derivatives work before allowing them to open account in Robinhood style apps, this could be even be extended for crypto and NFTs. It could be limits based rather than hard blocks. Schools could include such material to educate kids. Speculating and losing money in today's gamified simple UX apps like Robinhood is attracting a ton of people who cannot afford to loose their money and don't really understand the basics of the market, it wasn't a problem when you had to go through a broker who would advise you a bit or use high end Bloomberg terminal . The next market correction/crash is going to be very painful for many people who cannot afford to loose that money. [1] I don't know what would work for Porn, trading is lot easier to solve.
manquer 5y ago
Perhaps I should have given OP the benefit of the doubt , maybe if he had elaborated more it would have helped. Online forums even here has made me jaded with these subtle what about it arguments you see constantly.

fastball 5y ago

Yeah, I read it as more pointing out that "real informed consent" sounds a bit like a No True Scotsman fallacy. "I have consent right here, the actor signed a literal release form." "But that's not real, informed consent."

manquer 5y ago
Perfect understanding can not be achieved yes also defining what is ideal consent is hard and arbitrary, that shouldn't mean we abandon any hope of improving current state of consent which is not effective. To improve informed consent say for trading[1], a basic training course required by SEC on risks and options would go long way for a lot of people to understand how derivatives work before allowing them to open account in Robinhood style apps, this could be even be extended for crypto and NFTs. It could be limits based rather than hard blocks. Schools could include such material to educate kids. Speculating and losing money in today's gamified simple UX apps like Robinhood is attracting a ton of people who cannot afford to loose their money and don't really understand the basics of the market, it wasn't a problem when you had to go through a broker who would advise you a bit or use high end Bloomberg terminal . The next market correction/crash is going to be very painful for many people who cannot afford to loose that money. [1] I don't know what would work for Porn, trading is lot easier to solve.

manquer 5y ago

Perhaps I should have given OP the benefit of the doubt , maybe if he had elaborated more it would have helped. Online forums even here has made me jaded with these subtle what about it arguments you see constantly.