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The FAA and FCC need to figure out what to do, but the above comment isn't the consideration they need to be worried about. > Radar in general is more sensitiv
by parsimo2010 5y ago
The FAA and FCC need to figure out what to do, but the above comment isn't the consideration they need to be worried about.
> Radar in general is more sensitive to noise.... The noise floor is quite a bit higher before it becomes unusable for communications compared to radar
This is not true. A radar has the huge advantage of knowing what signal was sent and only looks for returns that are similar- the FMCW radars in question often mix the return with the originating signal, and outside interference just doesn't cohere and won't affect the result unless the interference is very high power. Radars do not need to look at a wider band of spectrum, reflections do not change the frequency and the Doppler shift a radar altimeter (looking straight down) needs to accommodate is minuscule. A radar that can't handle noise is poorly designed, not that they are inherently susceptible to noise. Radar does require "high" transmit power to easily detect returns, but they can be robust to noise. A radar (including RA) can integrate over a relatively large window if needed and detect with an SNR <1 if it's designed that way.
Whether the old 737 RA was properly designed and can handle the interference, or if they took shortcuts because saving a buck took precedence is a different discussion than the (incorrect) generalities about radar presented in the above comment. Whether the existing RAs can be retrofitted with better filters for cheaper than lobbying the FCC is also unclear, but we know what approach the airlines are attempting right now.
- wumpus 5y agoIn support of this comment, as a radio astronomer I used to think I understood radar. Then I sat in a presentation by some smart people from MIT, and it turns out that I was really wrong, but the things actual radars do are built on top of things that I know from astronomy.
- anfilt 5y agoIt is more sensitive noise. I did not say it was impossible though to design radar with a higher noise floor in mind. Like the main reason this is problem is not really Boeing's or Airbus's fault. It's only now the FAA went wait a minute when they could have been looking at this years ago since the FCC did announce this quite a bit ago now. The allocation here in the US is closer than to other countries so spurious emissions from 5G equipment and higher order harmonics could possibly be larger issue.
- hilbert42 5y ago"A radar that can't handle noise is poorly designed..." I agree with the general tenet of your post but do we know what the status of the radar's RX's front end is like in practice? From my experience, many of the front ends of older radar receivers are primitive by comparison with today's state of the art in that they have very bad crossmoduation figures (basic diode mixers etc.).