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Involuntary porn is so harmful specifically because of the moralistic aspect of nudity. We could just accept that sex is normal and a video of you fucking isn’

by rosndo 5y ago

Involuntary porn is so harmful specifically because of the moralistic aspect of nudity. We could just accept that sex is normal and a video of you fucking isn’t different than a video of you playing golf.

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odux 5y ago
Irrespective of one’s moral views, whether one consented (to the act, or filming the act or publicly sharing the video) is a serious concern.
- rosndo 5y ago
  Sure, but being involuntarily filmed while having sex is currently much more harmful than being involuntarily filmed while golfing. There is no good reason it has to be this way, sex is one of the most normal activities one could be engaged in. Perhaps we should assign some blame to the society around the victims?
  - odux 5y ago
    Because sex is intimate and personal. Today getting involuntarily filmed kissing is more harmful than involuntarily filmed playing golf, and kissing is socially acceptable in most western cultures.
  - code_runner 5y ago
    You’re really standing up a straw man here and I’m not convinced you’re even winning against it.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      I’m not sure that you know what that means. What straw man are you referring to?
jfk13 5y ago
Of course sex is normal, but thousands of years of societal development in vastly different circumstances around the world tend overwhelmingly to agree that it is a private matter, not a spectacle for public entertainment. Perhaps we shouldn't be in quite such a hurry to discard centuries of tradition just because "gee, the internet makes it easy and anonymous..."
chad_oliver 5y ago
I disagree. I'm not trying to be inflammatory but it seems like your statement is similar to saying "rape is so harmful specifically because of our society's attitudes to sex". Yeah, social stigma can make the consequences of rape a lot worse, but that's not at all the only reason why rape is bad. I think the same logic applies to involuntary porn. Among other things, involuntary porn is a massive violation of privacy. Maybe some individuals don't feel that this area needs to be private, but what matters is whether the _victim_ wants it to be private. If your solution is "the victims shouldn't make such a big deal of this", that's wishful thinking not a solution.
- rosndo 5y ago
  > If your solution is "the victims shouldn't make such a big deal of this", that's wishful thinking not a solution. That’s a really twisted interpretation of what I wrote. Rather, I believe that we should strongly condemn those who further victimize these people by voicing their puritanical views in any form.
  - dymk 5y ago
    Having revenge porn of yourself on the internet is extremely traumatizing regardless of what other people think of it.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      It’s precisely the opinions of other people which makes it extremely traumatizing. Lets not pretend that this is some inherent part of human nature.
      - dymk 5y ago
        No, it’s not, and victims of revenge porn will tell you as such. Everybody thinks muggings are wrong, and yet people are traumatized by muggings. People thing school shootings are wrong, yet they’re traumatic. I suggest you go ask one for yourself if you don’t believe me, because frankly you don’t know what you’re talking about.
mensetmanusman 5y ago
Most accept that people are human, and humans don’t normally think sex is equivalent to sports in regards to involvement from others in public.
- rosndo 5y ago
  Are you arguing that this is an inherent part of human nature? Your comment doesn’t make any sense otherwise. Could you provide some evidence to support that claim? I am claiming is that this isn’t an inherent part of human nature, and therefore we can do better. If you are instead making a statement regarding current state of things, you’ve failed to read the comment you’re replying to
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Humans are human nature. I may be generalizing from 7 billion data points though:)
    - rosndo 5y ago
      What you’re saying still doesn’t make any sense in context unless you’ve misinterpreted me very badly.

by rosndo 5y ago

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odux 5y ago

Irrespective of one’s moral views, whether one consented (to the act, or filming the act or publicly sharing the video) is a serious concern.

rosndo 5y ago
Sure, but being involuntarily filmed while having sex is currently much more harmful than being involuntarily filmed while golfing. There is no good reason it has to be this way, sex is one of the most normal activities one could be engaged in. Perhaps we should assign some blame to the society around the victims?
- odux 5y ago
  Because sex is intimate and personal. Today getting involuntarily filmed kissing is more harmful than involuntarily filmed playing golf, and kissing is socially acceptable in most western cultures.
- code_runner 5y ago
  You’re really standing up a straw man here and I’m not convinced you’re even winning against it.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    I’m not sure that you know what that means. What straw man are you referring to?

jfk13 5y ago

Of course sex is normal, but thousands of years of societal development in vastly different circumstances around the world tend overwhelmingly to agree that it is a private matter, not a spectacle for public entertainment. Perhaps we shouldn't be in quite such a hurry to discard centuries of tradition just because "gee, the internet makes it easy and anonymous..."

chad_oliver 5y ago

I disagree. I'm not trying to be inflammatory but it seems like your statement is similar to saying "rape is so harmful specifically because of our society's attitudes to sex". Yeah, social stigma can make the consequences of rape a lot worse, but that's not at all the only reason why rape is bad. I think the same logic applies to involuntary porn. Among other things, involuntary porn is a massive violation of privacy. Maybe some individuals don't feel that this area needs to be private, but what matters is whether the _victim_ wants it to be private. If your solution is "the victims shouldn't make such a big deal of this", that's wishful thinking not a solution.

rosndo 5y ago
> If your solution is "the victims shouldn't make such a big deal of this", that's wishful thinking not a solution. That’s a really twisted interpretation of what I wrote. Rather, I believe that we should strongly condemn those who further victimize these people by voicing their puritanical views in any form.
- dymk 5y ago
  Having revenge porn of yourself on the internet is extremely traumatizing regardless of what other people think of it.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    It’s precisely the opinions of other people which makes it extremely traumatizing. Lets not pretend that this is some inherent part of human nature.
    - dymk 5y ago
      No, it’s not, and victims of revenge porn will tell you as such. Everybody thinks muggings are wrong, and yet people are traumatized by muggings. People thing school shootings are wrong, yet they’re traumatic. I suggest you go ask one for yourself if you don’t believe me, because frankly you don’t know what you’re talking about.

mensetmanusman 5y ago

Most accept that people are human, and humans don’t normally think sex is equivalent to sports in regards to involvement from others in public.

rosndo 5y ago
Are you arguing that this is an inherent part of human nature? Your comment doesn’t make any sense otherwise. Could you provide some evidence to support that claim? I am claiming is that this isn’t an inherent part of human nature, and therefore we can do better. If you are instead making a statement regarding current state of things, you’ve failed to read the comment you’re replying to
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Humans are human nature. I may be generalizing from 7 billion data points though:)
  - rosndo 5y ago
    What you’re saying still doesn’t make any sense in context unless you’ve misinterpreted me very badly.