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Russia Closes Airspace over Ukrainian Border Through May 18th

24 points by selectodude 5y ago

Diesel555 5y ago
E) AIRSPACE CLSD WI AREA: 451511N0372130E-451531N0372401E-451354N0372556E-451233N0372838E- 451004N0372607E-451448N0371959E-451511N0372130E. F) SFC G) 600M AMSL Look for these. This says that the airspace is closed from surface to 60k MSL (the unit is hundreds of feet) with a defining border. You can plot these points by rewriting them then putting them in any map site. 451511N0372130E is the same as “N 45 15 11 E 37 21 30” which plots in Apple Maps and google maps if you paste it as I converted it. The format is degrees minutes seconds. I made a website that detects, converts, and plots all types of coordinates. However, it cannot identify those as defined in the NOTAM because it is not distinguishable from other formats without spaces or some nonnumerical separators.
musicale 5y ago
Well I guess they expect to be done by then.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  That looks like 90 days. Is that the limit to how long a non-permanent NOTAM can be? They can always renew it in May...
VincentEvans 5y ago
Russia cannot produce a car that more than 20% of it’s own population is willing to buy. If you enter any Russian kitchen - you will see European or Asian appliances. If you enter living room - you will see imported entertainment devices. No, there isn’t a Russian Playstation equivalent. If you open closet or look in the shoe rack - you won’t find Russian brands either. What I would like to see happen sooner rather than later - is economic and travel blockade of Russia until it ceases it’s aggression: - No payments in or out. - No goods in or out. - No flights or travel in or out. Which should remind them of their true state of economic affairs and what they ought to focus their energies on. I find it ridiculous that while there’s an army massing on the borders of Ukraine, Russians continue to travel to European destinations, conduct commerce, and generally go about their lives unimpeded, unhindered, and unbothered.
- cft 5y ago
  May result in a nuclear war, if he's sufficiently crazy
  - avmich 5y ago
    And that's what allows such an approach to continue. Whenever Putin feels it, he decides that another aggressive take on Russia's neighbors is justified, and can't be countered - because he has nuclear bombs and willingness - untested, of course - to use them.
  - VincentEvans 5y ago
    How would that work? “Conduct commerce with me or else”? Then why stop there? “Give me your territories or else”. I mean hostile annexation of Ukraine, creation of puppet micro-nations in Georgia, Moldova are already conducted with an implied threat of nuclear war. That threat is ever-present even if you impose an import tax on Russian goods. Where’s the line? What I am most frustrated about is the broad support that Putin’s government enjoys generally from a populace that does not seem to remember where everything they rely on comes from, while enjoying their European and Turkish vacations.
    - avmich 5y ago
      > What I am most frustrated about is the broad support that Putin’s government enjoys generally from a populace that does not seem to remember where everything they rely on comes from, while enjoying their European and Turkish vacations. It's not such a broad support - when Crimea was occupied, the support was higher. It's insufficiently low today though. And the people have 24/7 propaganda coming from TVs, with many of them not very skillful with Youtube and VPN - and it's psychologically hard to withstand a lie which is repeated hundreds of times.
- throwawaymanbot 5y ago
- the_mar 5y ago

24 points by selectodude 5y ago

E) AIRSPACE CLSD WI AREA: 451511N0372130E-451531N0372401E-451354N0372556E-451233N0372838E- 451004N0372607E-451448N0371959E-451511N0372130E. F) SFC G) 600M AMSL Look for these. This says that the airspace is closed from surface to 60k MSL (the unit is hundreds of feet) with a defining border. You can plot these points by rewriting them then putting them in any map site. 451511N0372130E is the same as “N 45 15 11 E 37 21 30” which plots in Apple Maps and google maps if you paste it as I converted it. The format is degrees minutes seconds. I made a website that detects, converts, and plots all types of coordinates. However, it cannot identify those as defined in the NOTAM because it is not distinguishable from other formats without spaces or some nonnumerical separators.

musicale 5y ago

Well I guess they expect to be done by then.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
That looks like 90 days. Is that the limit to how long a non-permanent NOTAM can be? They can always renew it in May...

VincentEvans 5y ago

Russia cannot produce a car that more than 20% of it’s own population is willing to buy. If you enter any Russian kitchen - you will see European or Asian appliances. If you enter living room - you will see imported entertainment devices. No, there isn’t a Russian Playstation equivalent. If you open closet or look in the shoe rack - you won’t find Russian brands either. What I would like to see happen sooner rather than later - is economic and travel blockade of Russia until it ceases it’s aggression: - No payments in or out. - No goods in or out. - No flights or travel in or out. Which should remind them of their true state of economic affairs and what they ought to focus their energies on. I find it ridiculous that while there’s an army massing on the borders of Ukraine, Russians continue to travel to European destinations, conduct commerce, and generally go about their lives unimpeded, unhindered, and unbothered.

cft 5y ago
May result in a nuclear war, if he's sufficiently crazy
- avmich 5y ago
  And that's what allows such an approach to continue. Whenever Putin feels it, he decides that another aggressive take on Russia's neighbors is justified, and can't be countered - because he has nuclear bombs and willingness - untested, of course - to use them.
- VincentEvans 5y ago
  How would that work? “Conduct commerce with me or else”? Then why stop there? “Give me your territories or else”. I mean hostile annexation of Ukraine, creation of puppet micro-nations in Georgia, Moldova are already conducted with an implied threat of nuclear war. That threat is ever-present even if you impose an import tax on Russian goods. Where’s the line? What I am most frustrated about is the broad support that Putin’s government enjoys generally from a populace that does not seem to remember where everything they rely on comes from, while enjoying their European and Turkish vacations.
  - avmich 5y ago
    > What I am most frustrated about is the broad support that Putin’s government enjoys generally from a populace that does not seem to remember where everything they rely on comes from, while enjoying their European and Turkish vacations. It's not such a broad support - when Crimea was occupied, the support was higher. It's insufficiently low today though. And the people have 24/7 propaganda coming from TVs, with many of them not very skillful with Youtube and VPN - and it's psychologically hard to withstand a lie which is repeated hundreds of times.
throwawaymanbot 5y ago
the_mar 5y ago