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The headline is "take back control of YOUR videos". Videos that you downloaded from other people aren't yours. You might own a copy, but that's no different fr

The headline is "take back control of YOUR videos". Videos that you downloaded from other people aren't yours. You might own a copy, but that's no different from any other system of distribution. The difference between p2p and standard distribution is that the owner loses control.

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infogulch 5y ago
Who owns it when it's on YouTube? "The people who can destroy a thing, they control it." - Dune Google owns it. With peertube and the like, maybe you don't own it, but at least Google doesn't either.
- hannasanarion 5y ago
  > With peertube and the like, maybe you don't own it, Then why are they advertising with the slogan "take back control"???
  - infogulch 5y ago
    Maybe the answer would be more clear if you read the end of that quote.
    - hannasanarion 5y ago
      And maybe you would understand why that statement makes absolutely no sense if you read the headline of this thread. It doesn't say "take control away from Youtube and Google", it says take back control of your videos. p2p is the ultimate destruction of control, that's the entire point of it. Saying that peertube gives you control is like saying that playing a slot machine gives you ROI.
      - infogulch 5y ago
        You're deconstructing a head of lettuce and wondering why you get word salad. Language isn't that simple. Insisting on narrow interpretations of individual words isn't helpful. You need more context to understand it, not less. With p2p, control is transferred away from Google to you and anyone else that chooses to host it. This is reasonable justification for using "take back control" to me. I guess you'd also object to GPL being described as "more free" than MIT.
        robwwilliams 5y ago
        Brilliant metaphor! Is that your own invention? No hits on DDG.
        infogulch 5y ago
        Thanks! I came up with it on the spot, maybe because I had recently eaten a salad. :) It could be better, let me know if you improve it.
altantiprocrast 5y ago
> owner loses control the owner retains control of distributing their voice without a major platform getting in the way
- hannasanarion 5y ago
  The owner retains control of nothing. From the instant you first seed to p2p, there is nothing you can do anymore to change what might happen next. You completely lose all agency over your own material. That is not "control". If you want to get off a platform, you can do that with a website. You don't need to give up editorial and retractive control forever (which you must do in order to use p2p, which is why this headline is so wrong) just to step off a platform.
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  - detaro 5y ago
    I upload a video to a PeerTube instance. I then delete it. What is happening outside my control that won't happen on other hosting?
  - littlestymaar 5y ago
    > The owner retains control of nothing. From the instant you first seed to p2p, there is nothing you can do anymore to change what might happen next. You completely lose all agency over your own material. That is not "control". (putting aside the fact that peertube is NOT A P2P distribution platform[1]) P2P is not different from any kind of distribution mechanism for digital content: the moment you put your content online, you've lost a good chunk of control over it since anyone can now download it a re-upload it elsewhere. This is automatic for p2p, but it also happen all the time on youtube, (or worse, porn tubes). There is no way around it so far, and DRMs have largely failed preventing that. So any content creator must know this at this point: once you've published something online, you cannot reliably unpublish it. Now, when you go through a centralized platform you also lose one more part of control: not only you cannot unpublish it, but you also cannot guarantee that it will remain published. This is the part of control you can get back by using peertube or other federated or distributed streaming system. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453806
strogonoff 5y ago
It is a dangerous belief that anything you publish can be 100% reliably unpublished, even if you use a centralized platform that grants you the button to do so. Information does not work that way. However, a centralized near-monopoly grants itself certain power over the spread of information: if everyone uses it and it bans your video, the video may essentially be unknown—despite your intent. That is losing control, both for you personally and for us as a society: we lose control of our videos by using one big centralized platform, which lets it hide them from us. An interpretation of PeerTube’s slogan could be that switching to it you take control of your videos by making them less liable to become hidden due to e.g. censorship—but also in that publishing something useful on it you by extension also bring viewers into the ecosystem and thus help society as a whole take that control back by reducing its dependency on a centralized source.

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infogulch 5y ago

Who owns it when it's on YouTube? "The people who can destroy a thing, they control it." - Dune Google owns it. With peertube and the like, maybe you don't own it, but at least Google doesn't either.

hannasanarion 5y ago
> With peertube and the like, maybe you don't own it, Then why are they advertising with the slogan "take back control"???
- infogulch 5y ago
  Maybe the answer would be more clear if you read the end of that quote.
  - hannasanarion 5y ago
    And maybe you would understand why that statement makes absolutely no sense if you read the headline of this thread. It doesn't say "take control away from Youtube and Google", it says take back control of your videos. p2p is the ultimate destruction of control, that's the entire point of it. Saying that peertube gives you control is like saying that playing a slot machine gives you ROI.
    - infogulch 5y ago
      You're deconstructing a head of lettuce and wondering why you get word salad. Language isn't that simple. Insisting on narrow interpretations of individual words isn't helpful. You need more context to understand it, not less. With p2p, control is transferred away from Google to you and anyone else that chooses to host it. This is reasonable justification for using "take back control" to me. I guess you'd also object to GPL being described as "more free" than MIT.
      - robwwilliams 5y ago
        Brilliant metaphor! Is that your own invention? No hits on DDG.
        infogulch 5y ago
        Thanks! I came up with it on the spot, maybe because I had recently eaten a salad. :) It could be better, let me know if you improve it.

altantiprocrast 5y ago

> owner loses control the owner retains control of distributing their voice without a major platform getting in the way

hannasanarion 5y ago
The owner retains control of nothing. From the instant you first seed to p2p, there is nothing you can do anymore to change what might happen next. You completely lose all agency over your own material. That is not "control". If you want to get off a platform, you can do that with a website. You don't need to give up editorial and retractive control forever (which you must do in order to use p2p, which is why this headline is so wrong) just to step off a platform.
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- detaro 5y ago
  I upload a video to a PeerTube instance. I then delete it. What is happening outside my control that won't happen on other hosting?
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  > The owner retains control of nothing. From the instant you first seed to p2p, there is nothing you can do anymore to change what might happen next. You completely lose all agency over your own material. That is not "control". (putting aside the fact that peertube is NOT A P2P distribution platform[1]) P2P is not different from any kind of distribution mechanism for digital content: the moment you put your content online, you've lost a good chunk of control over it since anyone can now download it a re-upload it elsewhere. This is automatic for p2p, but it also happen all the time on youtube, (or worse, porn tubes). There is no way around it so far, and DRMs have largely failed preventing that. So any content creator must know this at this point: once you've published something online, you cannot reliably unpublish it. Now, when you go through a centralized platform you also lose one more part of control: not only you cannot unpublish it, but you also cannot guarantee that it will remain published. This is the part of control you can get back by using peertube or other federated or distributed streaming system. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30453806

strogonoff 5y ago

It is a dangerous belief that anything you publish can be 100% reliably unpublished, even if you use a centralized platform that grants you the button to do so. Information does not work that way. However, a centralized near-monopoly grants itself certain power over the spread of information: if everyone uses it and it bans your video, the video may essentially be unknown—despite your intent. That is losing control, both for you personally and for us as a society: we lose control of our videos by using one big centralized platform, which lets it hide them from us. An interpretation of PeerTube’s slogan could be that switching to it you take control of your videos by making them less liable to become hidden due to e.g. censorship—but also in that publishing something useful on it you by extension also bring viewers into the ecosystem and thus help society as a whole take that control back by reducing its dependency on a centralized source.