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So you don't track users with the "like" widgets? Even when they don't click on them? That would contraddict everything I read from FB until now. > I suppose y

So you don't track users with the "like" widgets? Even when they don't click on them? That would contraddict everything I read from FB until now. > I suppose you guys can line up to say I'm lying I never sad you lied. I just sad what you explicitly state on your privacy policy: "We receive data whenever you visit a game, application, or website that uses Facebook Platform or visit a site with a Facebook feature (such as a social plugin). This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID." http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#inforeceived http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#inforeceived If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is...

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- y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
  No. FB does not just log the data without using it. And they state so explicitly: "We use the information we receive about you in connection with the services and features we provide to you and other users like your friends, the advertisers that purchase ads on the site..." http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse
  - nbm 15y ago
    There's a more specific description about how information from social plug-ins are handled: https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 In particular, information from social plug-ins are specifically not used to target ads to users.
lbrandy 15y ago
> This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID." With the exception the the UserID for logged in users, all of this data is standard stuff that every browser sends to every server of any site on every request. > If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is... If basic http header stuff is "tracking" to you, then every site on the internet is tracking you.
- y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
  > all of this data is standard stuff that every browser > sends to every server of any site on every request. Come on lbrandy, let's be honest. Are you telling me and to the HN audience that you don't use the data "that every browser sends to every server", analyze it, try to get unique users out of it, try to gather interest, browsing behavior, a lot of other stuff and sell it to advertisers? Because that would contradict what you state in your privacy policy. >> If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is... > I believe the word I'd use is "http". http is the protocol you gather the data with. Once you got it, you gather your stats from it. And thus track users with it. And you state so explicitly in your privacy policy. And there is IMHO nothing wrong with it. I adblock it anyway.
  - lbrandy 15y ago
    > Are you telling me and to the HN audience that you don't use the data "that every browser sends to every server", analyze it, try to get unique users out of it, try to gather interest, browsing behavior, a lot of other stuff and sell it to advertisers? That's pretty much the definition of "cookieless tracking", isn't it? Feel free to read my original post. This is spelled out quite clearly here: https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084
    - y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
      > That's pretty much the definition of "cookieless tracking", isn't it? Yes, it is. "We will keep aggregated and anonymized data (not associated with specific users) [...]" Ok. So you partially confirm my point. You DO track users. But you say you don't keep the information associated with "y0ghur7_xxx", but with user_id:389472984. At least on the FAQ. The privacy policy is not so clear.
      - indigoviolet 15y ago
        user_id:389472984 isn't anonymized. Aggregated and anonymized data means, "gender:male ages:18-34"
fhars 15y ago
That particular sentence does not describe "tracking", it describes "http". Those are just the data every browser sends to a server if it requests a resource hosted there. The sentence you cited is just a description of the behaviour of the protocol. Tracking only happens if the server logs these data, which it may or may not do, and the rest of the facebook privacy policy seems to say that they indeed want to do that, or at least keep the option to do so. But no matter what the server operator says it does, you cannot really check that.

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y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
No. FB does not just log the data without using it. And they state so explicitly: "We use the information we receive about you in connection with the services and features we provide to you and other users like your friends, the advertisers that purchase ads on the site..." http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse
- nbm 15y ago
  There's a more specific description about how information from social plug-ins are handled: https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 In particular, information from social plug-ins are specifically not used to target ads to users.

lbrandy 15y ago

> This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID." With the exception the the UserID for logged in users, all of this data is standard stuff that every browser sends to every server of any site on every request. > If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is... If basic http header stuff is "tracking" to you, then every site on the internet is tracking you.

y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
> all of this data is standard stuff that every browser > sends to every server of any site on every request. Come on lbrandy, let's be honest. Are you telling me and to the HN audience that you don't use the data "that every browser sends to every server", analyze it, try to get unique users out of it, try to gather interest, browsing behavior, a lot of other stuff and sell it to advertisers? Because that would contradict what you state in your privacy policy. >> If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is... > I believe the word I'd use is "http". http is the protocol you gather the data with. Once you got it, you gather your stats from it. And thus track users with it. And you state so explicitly in your privacy policy. And there is IMHO nothing wrong with it. I adblock it anyway.
- lbrandy 15y ago
  > Are you telling me and to the HN audience that you don't use the data "that every browser sends to every server", analyze it, try to get unique users out of it, try to gather interest, browsing behavior, a lot of other stuff and sell it to advertisers? That's pretty much the definition of "cookieless tracking", isn't it? Feel free to read my original post. This is spelled out quite clearly here: https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084
  - y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
    > That's pretty much the definition of "cookieless tracking", isn't it? Yes, it is. "We will keep aggregated and anonymized data (not associated with specific users) [...]" Ok. So you partially confirm my point. You DO track users. But you say you don't keep the information associated with "y0ghur7_xxx", but with user_id:389472984. At least on the FAQ. The privacy policy is not so clear.
    - indigoviolet 15y ago
      user_id:389472984 isn't anonymized. Aggregated and anonymized data means, "gender:male ages:18-34"

fhars 15y ago

That particular sentence does not describe "tracking", it describes "http". Those are just the data every browser sends to a server if it requests a resource hosted there. The sentence you cited is just a description of the behaviour of the protocol. Tracking only happens if the server logs these data, which it may or may not do, and the rest of the facebook privacy policy seems to say that they indeed want to do that, or at least keep the option to do so. But no matter what the server operator says it does, you cannot really check that.