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History is littered with failures when competitors catering to ejected parts of a community try to make it work. You can't start a site based on the rejects.
by mmastrac 5y ago
History is littered with failures when competitors catering to ejected parts of a community try to make it work. You can't start a site based on the rejects.
- paxys 5y agoMore accurately, if you start a site based on the rejects then it will only contain the content and community that was rejected in the first place. You can probably succeed if you brand it specifically for that crowd, but don't expect anyone else to switch.
- tpoacher 5y agoTell that to Australia
- mmastrac 5y agoI know it was a bit of a snarky throwaway comment, but I would be interested to see how Australia succeeded given its penal colony history (I admittedly know nothing).
- weq 5y agoThe crooks created mining, grazing, farming and other resource extraction companies and exported/are exporting everything they could/can get there grubby hands. Now this entrenched power has formed poltical parties who reinforce their positons through policies. Ala Australias climate policy and rotating doors of ex-politicans joining boards of the companies they gave a leg up to while in office.
- bean5 5y agoIsn't this basically how it works everywhere?
- KennyBlanken 5y agoDon't forget "exploited the hell out of the people who lived there before England dumped them on the continent."
- jka 5y agoMeanwhile, history also rewards communities who support and listen to the underserved in order to improve collective wellbeing. You can build a movement based on inclusion.
- chippy 5y agoI agree, you can build a movement based on community and doing things for the love of it. Allowing everyone in comes later and is for mainly for growth and profitability and usually is when we see this earlier community fracturing. That's when these websites grow bigger and bigger and start to monetize because people will not cooperate freely for nothing anymore. Commerce replace community but a community comes first and is rewarded. Commerce rewards also, in more obvious material ways.
- jka 5y agoThanks, that's a good observation of traditional (online?) community evolution. It seems like software could potentially be a little different though, given zero-cost-of-copy, zero-cost-of-communication, and zero barriers (other than social inertia) to learning, inspection, modification and contribution of code. Perhaps sufficiently-sized communities require fragmentation in order to function effectively (it certainly happens within large organizations) - that happens fairly naturally already with software projects too, though, so there may not necessarily be a scalability or community-size limit concern there.
- eropple 5y agoIf your movement is "based on inclusion" and the population that you strive to include contains Nazis, then your movement will be a Nazi movement sooner or later. Often sooner. The story of how a bar becomes a Nazi bar applies to any community, not just bars. Karl Popper didn't stutter.
- jimmygrapes 5y agoHow is this different than including any other group who by their nature rejects others not in their group? Is the Nazi thing just to shut down any further contemplation?
- mjfl 5y agoThese comments are basically equating Peertube to Gab, but I have to disagree with that comparison. Gab is a website, Peertube is software, and these are different things. Peertube doesn't need to be profitable to stay alive, it just needs people to keep using it. So I think it will have a longevity that "outcast" websites don't.