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> I am sure they track users anyway Just so we are clear: we don't cookieless "track users anyway". I suppose you guys can line up to say I'm lying like you d

by lbrandy 15y ago

> I am sure they track users anyway Just so we are clear: we don't cookieless "track users anyway". I suppose you guys can line up to say I'm lying like you did to the other engineers who posted yesterday, and it is quite obviously impossible for me to prove otherwise. But suffice to say our policies are rather clear on the issue.

sp332 15y ago
If I am logged out, and I just visit a page with a "Like" button, what info does Facebook get about me?
- tiles 15y ago
  You can view browser headers and see this for yourself, if you're curious. In Chrome, go to the Developer Tools -> Network Tab, refresh a page with the "like" button, look for "like.php" and all the corresponding resources loaded by it, and look at the "headers" tab for each. You can see what data is being sent to Facebook and draw your own conclusions about how anonymous it makes you.
tiles 15y ago
While it's unfortunate you're being thrown under the bus for this issue (I cannot prove Facebook is tracking me via my browser headers or not, it's simply dependent on how much trust I give to your company), this is a really healthy and important development that people are coming to. Facebook isn't the -only- company which has the potential to track you across the web; it's incredibly easy to do with ads, Digg buttons, Tweet buttons, and whatever new social network hits the stage. Some of these organizations may not have had such high profile cases as Facebook, which for all of its mishaps has at least responded to user's concerns. We need to enter into an awareness about how identifiable we are just browsing the internet. Average users need to know this. It's not like Facebook can force browsers to not send identifiable content and its refusing to--web browsing has been designed to allow third party content just like that. So we need to start exploring the ways in which this amount of trust to third party content isn't so implicit.
y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
So you don't track users with the "like" widgets? Even when they don't click on them? That would contraddict everything I read from FB until now. > I suppose you guys can line up to say I'm lying I never sad you lied. I just sad what you explicitly state on your privacy policy: "We receive data whenever you visit a game, application, or website that uses Facebook Platform or visit a site with a Facebook feature (such as a social plugin). This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID." http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#inforeceived http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#inforeceived If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is...
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  - y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
    No. FB does not just log the data without using it. And they state so explicitly: "We use the information we receive about you in connection with the services and features we provide to you and other users like your friends, the advertisers that purchase ads on the site..." http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse
    - nbm 15y ago
      There's a more specific description about how information from social plug-ins are handled: https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 In particular, information from social plug-ins are specifically not used to target ads to users.
- lbrandy 15y ago
  > This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID." With the exception the the UserID for logged in users, all of this data is standard stuff that every browser sends to every server of any site on every request. > If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is... If basic http header stuff is "tracking" to you, then every site on the internet is tracking you.
wnight 15y ago
But you do track users, and did track users in ways you've quickly stopped, so it's obviously not a moral issue. It's an issue of dodging blame for this or that specific tactic. > you guys can line up to say I'm lying You say that as if people should be ashamed for presuming the modern American corporation is lying to them. I've been directly and obviously lied to by representatives of many companies and they've all played the victim like you are. If this is official have Zuckerberg say something legally binding. > it is quite obviously impossible for me to prove otherwise. Not at all. As a corporation, allow independent auditors to monitor certain key filtering systems to make sure you couldn't be receiving data you say you don't intend to log. As an engineer you could leak the policy memos. And I mean leak, not get permission to post some redacted version.

by lbrandy 15y ago

sp332 15y ago

If I am logged out, and I just visit a page with a "Like" button, what info does Facebook get about me?

tiles 15y ago
You can view browser headers and see this for yourself, if you're curious. In Chrome, go to the Developer Tools -> Network Tab, refresh a page with the "like" button, look for "like.php" and all the corresponding resources loaded by it, and look at the "headers" tab for each. You can see what data is being sent to Facebook and draw your own conclusions about how anonymous it makes you.

tiles 15y ago

While it's unfortunate you're being thrown under the bus for this issue (I cannot prove Facebook is tracking me via my browser headers or not, it's simply dependent on how much trust I give to your company), this is a really healthy and important development that people are coming to. Facebook isn't the -only- company which has the potential to track you across the web; it's incredibly easy to do with ads, Digg buttons, Tweet buttons, and whatever new social network hits the stage. Some of these organizations may not have had such high profile cases as Facebook, which for all of its mishaps has at least responded to user's concerns. We need to enter into an awareness about how identifiable we are just browsing the internet. Average users need to know this. It's not like Facebook can force browsers to not send identifiable content and its refusing to--web browsing has been designed to allow third party content just like that. So we need to start exploring the ways in which this amount of trust to third party content isn't so implicit.

y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago

So you don't track users with the "like" widgets? Even when they don't click on them? That would contraddict everything I read from FB until now. > I suppose you guys can line up to say I'm lying I never sad you lied. I just sad what you explicitly state on your privacy policy: "We receive data whenever you visit a game, application, or website that uses Facebook Platform or visit a site with a Facebook feature (such as a social plugin). This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID." http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#inforeceived http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#inforeceived If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is...

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- y0ghur7_xxx 15y ago
  No. FB does not just log the data without using it. And they state so explicitly: "We use the information we receive about you in connection with the services and features we provide to you and other users like your friends, the advertisers that purchase ads on the site..." http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse http://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/your-info#howweuse
  - nbm 15y ago
    There's a more specific description about how information from social plug-ins are handled: https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=186325668085084 In particular, information from social plug-ins are specifically not used to target ads to users.
lbrandy 15y ago
> This may include the date and time you visit the site; the web address, or URL, you're on; technical information about the IP address, browser and the operating system you use; and, if you are logged in to Facebook, your User ID." With the exception the the UserID for logged in users, all of this data is standard stuff that every browser sends to every server of any site on every request. > If that's not "tracking" I don't know what is... If basic http header stuff is "tracking" to you, then every site on the internet is tracking you.

wnight 15y ago

But you do track users, and did track users in ways you've quickly stopped, so it's obviously not a moral issue. It's an issue of dodging blame for this or that specific tactic. > you guys can line up to say I'm lying You say that as if people should be ashamed for presuming the modern American corporation is lying to them. I've been directly and obviously lied to by representatives of many companies and they've all played the victim like you are. If this is official have Zuckerberg say something legally binding. > it is quite obviously impossible for me to prove otherwise. Not at all. As a corporation, allow independent auditors to monitor certain key filtering systems to make sure you couldn't be receiving data you say you don't intend to log. As an engineer you could leak the policy memos. And I mean leak, not get permission to post some redacted version.