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I agree that lack of resources is a contributing factor. > I don't think they're going to put a high priority on the fact that there's a naughty movie out ther

I agree that lack of resources is a contributing factor. > I don't think they're going to put a high priority on the fact that there's a naughty movie out there that someone willing filmed themselves in and is now regretful about. This characterization of revenge porn is exactly the victim blaming and minimization of harm inflicted that I was talking about. Consenting to film a sex act is not consenting to have it published to the wider world.

tharne 5y ago
> This characterization of revenge porn is exactly the victim blaming and minimization of harm inflicted that I was talking about. While it certainly isn't minimal in terms of the harm inflicted, it very much is minimal compared to the kinds of things that police departments and courts are already dealing with. There's also a weird and very unproductive ethos that's evolved around the concept of victim blaming. Something my not be your fault, but that doesn't mean we're all free to be careless with zero chance of consequences. If I'm walking through a neighborhood at night that I know to be dangerous, it would be very foolish of me to be carrying several thousand dollars of cash on my person. That does not mean it's my fault if I get mugged and lose my money - it's purely the mugger's fault. However, my actions were stupid and I should have known better. Both those things can be true.
- rectang 5y ago
  Many judges, police, and prosecutors agree with you that the victims "should have known better" and that their cases are not important in the grand scheme of things, which is why it is more difficult at every step of the way to get any sex crime through the court system. Many in the media also agree with you. So do many in the wider society. (Including many in the ridiculously male-dominated HN.) All of these factors contribute to why if a victim even goes to court, not only is the likelihood of actual consequences for the perpetrator absurdly low, but the experience of going down that path will be horrible. Instead of sympathy, they get an avalanche of contempt and shame dumped on them.
  - robertlagrant 5y ago
    This is the thin end of the wedge fallacy. It's disproportionate to load of the possible extreme outcomes of a - true - idea on that idea. The idea is fine. Other things you list that are bad and not that idea are not fine.
    - rectang 5y ago
      Your reasoning is too convoluted and unclear to argue against.
      - robertlagrant 5y ago
        Can you be specific? What do you need clarifying?
  - alar44 5y ago
    Low convictions isn't due to victim shaming, it's due to lack of evidence. It's generally a he said she said situation with no witnesses or evidence.
    - rectang 5y ago
      We're talking about revenge porn here. Who uploaded a file is not he-said/she-said, there are going to be logs. And with regards to the question of whether there was consent, "I don't have it in writing but she said it was OK to upload our sex videos to pornhub" should be treated with extreme skepticism.
      - panda-giddiness 5y ago
        Piggybacking on this point, in a civil lawsuit you only need prove that a "preponderance of the evidence" (51% or more) supports your position. (The burden is greater for criminal cases, of course).
        5y ago
- majormajor 5y ago
  Let's not claim that police are ONLY investigating rapes and murders all day. There's a lot of other time spent on stuff like pulling people over for expired tags or other more-minor-than-this shit.
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    > expired tags There are really only two things the government actually cares about: 1. staying in power 2. collecting taxes So yeah, they're not going to overlook expired tags.
    - quantified 5y ago
      Traffic stops that let them seize cash will definitely be a priority. So even your broken taillight means revenue.
    - tharne 5y ago
      This is very true. I lived in a fairly high-crime city for a while. The police never really investigated burglaries or car thefts because of a lack of resources. But man, leave your car parked on the street for a couple of minutes after the meter expired, and BAM! a cop would appear out of nowhere to write you a ticket.
  - scarface74 5y ago
    Police have all the time in the world for drug crimes and pulling over people because “they look suspicious”.

tharne 5y ago

> This characterization of revenge porn is exactly the victim blaming and minimization of harm inflicted that I was talking about. While it certainly isn't minimal in terms of the harm inflicted, it very much is minimal compared to the kinds of things that police departments and courts are already dealing with. There's also a weird and very unproductive ethos that's evolved around the concept of victim blaming. Something my not be your fault, but that doesn't mean we're all free to be careless with zero chance of consequences. If I'm walking through a neighborhood at night that I know to be dangerous, it would be very foolish of me to be carrying several thousand dollars of cash on my person. That does not mean it's my fault if I get mugged and lose my money - it's purely the mugger's fault. However, my actions were stupid and I should have known better. Both those things can be true.

rectang 5y ago
Many judges, police, and prosecutors agree with you that the victims "should have known better" and that their cases are not important in the grand scheme of things, which is why it is more difficult at every step of the way to get any sex crime through the court system. Many in the media also agree with you. So do many in the wider society. (Including many in the ridiculously male-dominated HN.) All of these factors contribute to why if a victim even goes to court, not only is the likelihood of actual consequences for the perpetrator absurdly low, but the experience of going down that path will be horrible. Instead of sympathy, they get an avalanche of contempt and shame dumped on them.
- robertlagrant 5y ago
  This is the thin end of the wedge fallacy. It's disproportionate to load of the possible extreme outcomes of a - true - idea on that idea. The idea is fine. Other things you list that are bad and not that idea are not fine.
  - rectang 5y ago
    Your reasoning is too convoluted and unclear to argue against.
    - robertlagrant 5y ago
      Can you be specific? What do you need clarifying?
- alar44 5y ago
  Low convictions isn't due to victim shaming, it's due to lack of evidence. It's generally a he said she said situation with no witnesses or evidence.
  - rectang 5y ago
    We're talking about revenge porn here. Who uploaded a file is not he-said/she-said, there are going to be logs. And with regards to the question of whether there was consent, "I don't have it in writing but she said it was OK to upload our sex videos to pornhub" should be treated with extreme skepticism.
    - panda-giddiness 5y ago
      Piggybacking on this point, in a civil lawsuit you only need prove that a "preponderance of the evidence" (51% or more) supports your position. (The burden is greater for criminal cases, of course).
      - 5y ago
majormajor 5y ago
Let's not claim that police are ONLY investigating rapes and murders all day. There's a lot of other time spent on stuff like pulling people over for expired tags or other more-minor-than-this shit.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  > expired tags There are really only two things the government actually cares about: 1. staying in power 2. collecting taxes So yeah, they're not going to overlook expired tags.
  - quantified 5y ago
    Traffic stops that let them seize cash will definitely be a priority. So even your broken taillight means revenue.
  - tharne 5y ago
    This is very true. I lived in a fairly high-crime city for a while. The police never really investigated burglaries or car thefts because of a lack of resources. But man, leave your car parked on the street for a couple of minutes after the meter expired, and BAM! a cop would appear out of nowhere to write you a ticket.
- scarface74 5y ago
  Police have all the time in the world for drug crimes and pulling over people because “they look suspicious”.