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When the NYPD have a guess at who did around 30% of murders, compared to the London police at 90% - and despite more funding than a small army - you have to won

When the NYPD have a guess at who did around 30% of murders, compared to the London police at 90% - and despite more funding than a small army - you have to wonder if the problem is purely resources. In fact, the vast majority of police are assigned to tasks like traffic enforcement, in part because that brings in more reliable revenue. (I'm using "guess at" to refer to clearance rate because if the cops tell a prosecutor they think you murdered someone and the prosecutor says it was obviously someone else so they're not charging you that's generally counted as cleared.)

volkl48 5y ago
> When the NYPD have a guess at who did around 30% of murders This is false. NYC homicide clearance rates for 2021 look to be over 70% for the year, with Q4 2021 at 78%. (worst quarter - 55%, best - 86%). https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/clearance.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/cleara... > In fact, the vast majority of police are assigned to tasks like traffic enforcement NYPD is not known exactly known for a particularly large amount of traffic enforcement, to the point that I think you'd find most residents wish they did more of it.
- giantg2 5y ago
  30% getting away with arguably our worst crime seems like it doesn't bode well for the clearance rate of lesser crimes. I wonder if a large contributor to the higher London clearance rate is related to socioeconomic factors or surveillance laws/systems.
  - vgeek 5y ago
    At a national level, the clearance rate for murders is ~61% per https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-26 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... . Property crimes are <20%. The FBI's UCR Data Explorer used to give you an easy to use breakdown of crimes and clearance rate at the national/state/metro/city level, but unfortunately they redesigned it and now it is both harder to use and presents less data. I guess that is one way to hide data that isn't favorable? There seems to be more emphasis on the danger presented to law enforcement officers, but the #1 cause of death for officers by a large margin, per https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2021 https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2021, has been COVID.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Yeah, I just gave the 30% unsolved in response to the comment about NYC having 70% clearance rates on homicides.
- scarface74 5y ago
  How much of that clearance rate is railroading innocent people through the justice system and an overworked underfunded public defenders office?
- iudqnolq 5y ago
  You're right, thank you. I mis-remembered, in NY it's major crimes that's around 30%.
ummonk 5y ago
Isn't London well known for having way more surveillance cameras than most cities?
- vkou 5y ago
  Maybe in the early 2000's, when stories about it kept making evening television, but nowadays, the rest of the developed world is roughly on par with it.

volkl48 5y ago

> When the NYPD have a guess at who did around 30% of murders This is false. NYC homicide clearance rates for 2021 look to be over 70% for the year, with Q4 2021 at 78%. (worst quarter - 55%, best - 86%). https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/clearance.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/cleara... > In fact, the vast majority of police are assigned to tasks like traffic enforcement NYPD is not known exactly known for a particularly large amount of traffic enforcement, to the point that I think you'd find most residents wish they did more of it.

giantg2 5y ago
30% getting away with arguably our worst crime seems like it doesn't bode well for the clearance rate of lesser crimes. I wonder if a large contributor to the higher London clearance rate is related to socioeconomic factors or surveillance laws/systems.
- vgeek 5y ago
  At a national level, the clearance rate for murders is ~61% per https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-26 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... . Property crimes are <20%. The FBI's UCR Data Explorer used to give you an easy to use breakdown of crimes and clearance rate at the national/state/metro/city level, but unfortunately they redesigned it and now it is both harder to use and presents less data. I guess that is one way to hide data that isn't favorable? There seems to be more emphasis on the danger presented to law enforcement officers, but the #1 cause of death for officers by a large margin, per https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2021 https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2021, has been COVID.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    Yeah, I just gave the 30% unsolved in response to the comment about NYC having 70% clearance rates on homicides.
scarface74 5y ago
How much of that clearance rate is railroading innocent people through the justice system and an overworked underfunded public defenders office?
iudqnolq 5y ago
You're right, thank you. I mis-remembered, in NY it's major crimes that's around 30%.

ummonk 5y ago

Isn't London well known for having way more surveillance cameras than most cities?

vkou 5y ago
Maybe in the early 2000's, when stories about it kept making evening television, but nowadays, the rest of the developed world is roughly on par with it.