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"Go performance is excellent since Go compiles to bare metal and there is no runtime between the metal and the language as is the case in other languages I used

"Go performance is excellent since Go compiles to bare metal and there is no runtime between the metal and the language as is the case in other languages I used in this exercise (Java & Clojure: compile to JVM bytecode, and JVM runs the bytecode, Python & Javascript: interpreted languages and the runtime runs the code (though also Python compiles to bytecode)." Source: https://www.karimarttila.fi/languages/2018/11/13/go-good-productivity-with-bare-metal.html https://www.karimarttila.fi/languages/2018/11/13/go-good-pro...

azth 5y ago
That statement is misleading. You can also compile Java natively. Secondly, there is most definitely a runtime "between the metal and the language" in golang, the GC being the most obvious. This proves my thoughts that these claims are not valid.
- nemothekid 5y ago
  >You can also compile Java natively. This is also misleading. You are implying that GraalVM isn't relatively new and that Java native compilation isn't rare. I've yet to see anyone deploy service or CLI tools that are natively compiled in Java. That statement is about as true as saying you can compile Python natively. Just because its possible doesn't mean the language is actually suited for it.
  - azth 5y ago
    I never said it was rare or not. It is possible if you truly need fast startup times. The fact of the matter, the JVM is good enough for the vast majority of the use cases, and is faster than golang so no need to even go there.
    - anthk 5y ago
      >, and is faster than golang Nice joke. Go software runs much snappier and faster than any Java GUI or CLI tool.
      - azth 5y ago
        Not a joke. Large real world programs are proof (otherwise, my employer will not be spending millions of dollars on reinventing performance and other toolings already present in the JVM). What golang gui programs are you comparing against? Java CLI tools compiled with GraalVM start up just as fast.
  - Cupprum 5y ago
    >That statement is about as true as saying you can compile Python natively. Python is actually compiled. When you run a file, it firstly compiles the cod into a bytecode, which is saved in ‘.pyc’ files. These are afterwards interpreted by the interpreter.
    - anthk 5y ago
      So does TCL, and yet Go outperforms TCL/TK, even 8.6.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    You weren't looking into the right plaaces, ExcelsiorJET, PTC, Aicas, Websphere Real Time, Android since version 5 (althought the story here is complicated).
- anthk 5y ago
  Call me when I can compile some static binary for Windows from OpenBSD such as GOOS=Windows GOARCH=arch32 go build foo.go.
cpuguy83 5y ago
There is a runtime between the metal and the language. The runtime is what makes it really nice for writing network services in. It's also what makes it really terrible for lower level things.

azth 5y ago

That statement is misleading. You can also compile Java natively. Secondly, there is most definitely a runtime "between the metal and the language" in golang, the GC being the most obvious. This proves my thoughts that these claims are not valid.

nemothekid 5y ago
>You can also compile Java natively. This is also misleading. You are implying that GraalVM isn't relatively new and that Java native compilation isn't rare. I've yet to see anyone deploy service or CLI tools that are natively compiled in Java. That statement is about as true as saying you can compile Python natively. Just because its possible doesn't mean the language is actually suited for it.
- azth 5y ago
  I never said it was rare or not. It is possible if you truly need fast startup times. The fact of the matter, the JVM is good enough for the vast majority of the use cases, and is faster than golang so no need to even go there.
  - anthk 5y ago
    >, and is faster than golang Nice joke. Go software runs much snappier and faster than any Java GUI or CLI tool.
    - azth 5y ago
      Not a joke. Large real world programs are proof (otherwise, my employer will not be spending millions of dollars on reinventing performance and other toolings already present in the JVM). What golang gui programs are you comparing against? Java CLI tools compiled with GraalVM start up just as fast.
- Cupprum 5y ago
  >That statement is about as true as saying you can compile Python natively. Python is actually compiled. When you run a file, it firstly compiles the cod into a bytecode, which is saved in ‘.pyc’ files. These are afterwards interpreted by the interpreter.
  - anthk 5y ago
    So does TCL, and yet Go outperforms TCL/TK, even 8.6.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  You weren't looking into the right plaaces, ExcelsiorJET, PTC, Aicas, Websphere Real Time, Android since version 5 (althought the story here is complicated).
anthk 5y ago
Call me when I can compile some static binary for Windows from OpenBSD such as GOOS=Windows GOARCH=arch32 go build foo.go.

cpuguy83 5y ago

There is a runtime between the metal and the language. The runtime is what makes it really nice for writing network services in. It's also what makes it really terrible for lower level things.