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> They freaked out. Yes, indeed. > the separatists would still fight Maybe (IMO unlikely but it's debatable), but I doubt they would do anything like that [0

> They freaked out. Yes, indeed. > the separatists would still fight Maybe (IMO unlikely but it's debatable), but I doubt they would do anything like that [0] [1]. For [0], they're not freaked out enough. For [1], civilians don't have the equipment. It's OK for a country to have internal conflicts. Every country has some, yet in most cases they don't turn into a war. > the rebels are often backed by some country. The only problem, rebels were invented by Russian propaganda. > The ideais that they are being decimated. That too, and no Ukrainian would ever believe that. Before the war, they had generally positive attitude towards Russians, with millions of mixed families. > from Georgia who were shelling them badly > USA is helping nationalists break away from Russian influence Do you have a source for any of these claims? [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/ukraine-murdered-council-member-vladimir-rybak-buried https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/ukraine-murder... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_a...

EGreg 5y ago
So when you read this, you think “Russia” wherever it says “pro-Russian separatists”? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_the_war_in_Donbas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_... 1.5 million Internally Displaced Persons is no joke. Your article however about Girkin is compelling. He seems like a Manuel Norriega-like figure who became an international terrorist and self-proclaimed leader. Without him, you think, the separatists would not have gained so much steam?
- jacquesm 5y ago
  The Russians purposefully moved a bunch of instigators from one vassal state into what they would have liked to be their next. That you continue to carry water for them given all the evidence on the ground is baffling to me.

EGreg 5y ago

So when you read this, you think “Russia” wherever it says “pro-Russian separatists”? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_the_war_in_Donbas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_... 1.5 million Internally Displaced Persons is no joke. Your article however about Girkin is compelling. He seems like a Manuel Norriega-like figure who became an international terrorist and self-proclaimed leader. Without him, you think, the separatists would not have gained so much steam?

jacquesm 5y ago
The Russians purposefully moved a bunch of instigators from one vassal state into what they would have liked to be their next. That you continue to carry water for them given all the evidence on the ground is baffling to me.