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Title says it's from 2020 and it's a bill. Anyone know if it's since been passed, amended, or killed?

by csense 5y ago

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ojbyrne 5y ago
Bill became law in April 2021: https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-...
- RappingBoomer 5y ago
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j16sdiz 5y ago
passed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_Crime_and_Public_Order_(Scotland)_Act_2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_Crime_and_Public_Order_(S...
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mikeyouse 5y ago
Amended a fair amount and passed parliament last spring, here's the bill text: https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/current-bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill/stage-3/bill-as-amended-at-stage-3.pdf https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/... It's more focused on aggravating offenses if they were motivated by hatred of what they define as protected classes (age / disability / race / religion / sexual orientation / trans identity). It removes the 'blasphemy' laws from the books and adds a "stirring up hatred" component. The 'stirring up hatred' section requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt and enshrines a few fairly broad free speech categories that wouldn't be included as 'illegal'; > For the purposes of subsection (4), in determining whether behaviour or communication was reasonable, particular regard must be had to the importance of the right to freedom 25 of expression by virtue of Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, including the general principle that the right applies to the expression of information or ideas that offend, shock or disturb. and > For the purposes of section 3(2), behaviour or material is not to be taken to be threatening or abusive solely on the basis that it involves or includes— (a) discussion or criticism of matters relating to- (i) age, (ii) disability, (iii) sexual orientation, (iv) transgender identity, (v) variations in sex characteristics, (b) discussion or criticism relating to, or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule or insult towards— (i) religion, whether religions generally or a particular religion, (ii) religious beliefs or practices, whether religious beliefs or practices generally or a particular religious belief or practice, (iii) the position of not holding religious beliefs, whether religious beliefs generally or a particular religious belief, (c) proselytising, or (d) urging of persons to cease practising their religions.
- cryptonector 5y ago
  > It's more focused on aggravating offenses The relevant part is not about aggravating circumstances of other crimes. It's about private speech, and it is quite broadly defined. Broadly defined == it will be abused.
  - mikeyouse 5y ago
    I guess we'll see? It doesn't actually read like it's that broadly defined -- they explicitly allow e.g. ridiculing religion and trying to get people to stop practicing their faith and it requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt which is a fine antidote for bad laws if you believe most people are reasonable. It's been ~a year with no controversial applications yet so perhaps it's fine?
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Title says it's from 2020 and it's a bill. Anyone know if it's since been passed, amended, or killed?

by csense 5y ago

Title says it's from 2020 and it's a bill. Anyone know if it's since been passed, amended, or killed?

deleted 5y ago

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ojbyrne 5y ago

Bill became law in April 2021: https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/hate-crime-...

RappingBoomer 5y ago
doubleplusungood
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j16sdiz 5y ago

passed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_Crime_and_Public_Order_(Scotland)_Act_2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_Crime_and_Public_Order_(S...

deleted 5y ago
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mikeyouse 5y ago

Amended a fair amount and passed parliament last spring, here's the bill text: https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/current-bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill/stage-3/bill-as-amended-at-stage-3.pdf https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/... It's more focused on aggravating offenses if they were motivated by hatred of what they define as protected classes (age / disability / race / religion / sexual orientation / trans identity). It removes the 'blasphemy' laws from the books and adds a "stirring up hatred" component. The 'stirring up hatred' section requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt and enshrines a few fairly broad free speech categories that wouldn't be included as 'illegal'; > For the purposes of subsection (4), in determining whether behaviour or communication was reasonable, particular regard must be had to the importance of the right to freedom 25 of expression by virtue of Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, including the general principle that the right applies to the expression of information or ideas that offend, shock or disturb. and > For the purposes of section 3(2), behaviour or material is not to be taken to be threatening or abusive solely on the basis that it involves or includes— (a) discussion or criticism of matters relating to- (i) age, (ii) disability, (iii) sexual orientation, (iv) transgender identity, (v) variations in sex characteristics, (b) discussion or criticism relating to, or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule or insult towards— (i) religion, whether religions generally or a particular religion, (ii) religious beliefs or practices, whether religious beliefs or practices generally or a particular religious belief or practice, (iii) the position of not holding religious beliefs, whether religious beliefs generally or a particular religious belief, (c) proselytising, or (d) urging of persons to cease practising their religions.

cryptonector 5y ago
> It's more focused on aggravating offenses The relevant part is not about aggravating circumstances of other crimes. It's about private speech, and it is quite broadly defined. Broadly defined == it will be abused.
- mikeyouse 5y ago
  I guess we'll see? It doesn't actually read like it's that broadly defined -- they explicitly allow e.g. ridiculing religion and trying to get people to stop practicing their faith and it requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt which is a fine antidote for bad laws if you believe most people are reasonable. It's been ~a year with no controversial applications yet so perhaps it's fine?
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